Best Playoff Outcomes for Jazz Trades

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’m out on Ingram and any other second tier “star”. I think we have to tank to get a bonafide star or at least tank to get a second tier star on a rookie deal so we can maneuver around the edges. I just don’t want to do shortcut method. Extend Lauri or trade him. If you extend him trade enough other stuff that we have a good chance at a top 4 pick. Reassess from there.

I dont really get this. It's super important to get another 2nd tier "star". If you have to draft to get one, how long is it going to take to develop into that level? You would have to get extremely lucky in the draft. Even if you draft Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey, it might take them 4 years to get to that level.

I'm not saying break the bank for Ingram, but he's got 1 year left on his deal coming off a bad series, it could be a recipe for a nice buy low.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I also think Sexton could be extremely attractive to NOLA with his contract and his offense.

The issue for them is they are stuck with CJ for now and he's not a good fit with Sexton.

 

[KqWIN]

On Ingram, I think I’m going to have to say the same thing as I said before….I think Lavine is just a better value proposition. I think people are going to say Ingram is way better, and especially because he’s taller. He is taller….how valuable that is I’m not sure. When trading for Ingram, you would have to be 100% certain he would resign and likely have that already done with his agent. I guess we could renegotiate+extend him in addition to Lauri.

Don’t think it makes sense that NOP would trade Ingram and Dyson in the same offseason. Seems like moves that contradict each other. Maybe you can get Dyson in a deal for Sexton….suppose that makes some sense. I can see how some may prefer a more shooting heavy fit with Zion. CJ ain’t great, but that skillset is important next to Zion. They’d be better off going for someone like Simons imo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I dont really get this. It's super important to get another 2nd tier "star". If you have to draft to get one, how long is it going to take to develop into that level? You would have to get extremely lucky in the draft. Even if you draft Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey, it might take them 4 years to get to that level.

I'm not saying break the bank for Ingram, but he's got 1 year left on his deal coming off a bad series, it could be a recipe for a nice buy low.

Not that OKC is the model but there are themes to their success that show a potential path. They got the tier 1 star in SGA and another tier 1 budding star in Chet... and Jalen in the same draft. We kinda need to have a win on that magnitude to be able to put together a contender in Lauri's prime window. So we land a top 5 pick next year and have say the Cavs pick land late lotto or push in for another big prospect through trade. Two borderline all-stars on rookie deals are a major part of their success. They even punted on using cap space or win now trades.

So you get Cooper/Ace or one of the other top tier prospects and the should be good in a year or two and then you can leverage space better. Getting Ingram or Lavine and adding him to this group puts us in what tier in the west... Sacramento Play in tier? I'd rather slow play it and tank. Ingram's next deal has a 50% chance at being a negative contract as well. He is good enough to get the max but is in that group where you aren't sure its a great idea.

If we are bringing in Ingram I try to keep Sexton but I get that NO isn't in draft pick mode. It would almost have to be a bigger three team deal for that to happen. If Ingram comes cheap (say at the Pascal Siakham price) then sure. I think if the price is that low NO roles the dice.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I don't think there was ever an opportunity, but if there was, we really missed out on a potential Jalen Williams for Lauri trade. I think Jalen Williams is on a potential MVP trajectory with his two way ability and his age and being on a rookie deal would have been easier to build around.

I really don't understand how OKC goes from a team with 3 young future MVPs to 10 years later having 3 young potential future MVPs.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think there was ever an opportunity, but if there was, we really missed out on a potential Jalen Williams for Lauri trade. I think Jalen Williams is on a potential MVP trajectory with his two way ability and his age and being on a rookie deal would have been easier to build around.

I really don't understand how OKC goes from a team with 3 young future MVPs to 10 years later having 3 young potential future MVPs.

There wasnt.

And it's extreme luck for OKC. They somehow played the "super-star makes trade demands" game perfectly despite being a small market. The power of Russ to pull Paul George to OKC is such an incredible feat of pure unadulterated luck it's crazy. Without that none of this is possible.

 

[whatthe]

Giannis, Embid, Lebron or Curry are the only ones I would trade for and I would still want to do it a value so it won't happen. Most likely build through the draft and find creative ways (long painful or short an opportunistic) to improve our draft value.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And when I say "luck" of course OKC is also an incredibly ran franchise with great decision makers and talent evaluators. It's crazy that I often forget they also drafted Sabonis.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

There wasnt.

And it's extreme luck for OKC. They somehow played the "super-star makes trade demands" game perfectly despite being a small market. The power of Russ to pull Paul George to OKC is such an incredible feat of pure unadulterated luck it's crazy. Without that none of this is possible.

I agree. I doubt the OKC front office would have ever entertained it.

I saw some ideas out there earlier in the season from OKC people with the idea, so at least at one point in the season it was seen as a potentially attractive deal for them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree. I doubt the OKC front office would have ever entertained it.

I saw some ideas out there earlier in the season from OKC people with the idea, so at least at one point in the season it was seen as a potentially attractive deal for them.

I doubt OKC is even interested in Lauri at this point. They got their 3 stars. They dont need or probably even want another max level player (at least one they have to give up significant assets for). They will be making moves on the margins to compete w/ whatever the meta shapes up to be.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think there was ever an opportunity, but if there was, we really missed out on a potential Jalen Williams for Lauri trade. I think Jalen Williams is on a potential MVP trajectory with his two way ability and his age and being on a rookie deal would have been easier to build around.

I really don't understand how OKC goes from a team with 3 young future MVPs to 10 years later having 3 young potential future MVPs.

It was never available. Also they essentially traded for Jalen Williams. I know they selected him with their own pick but the traded for the pick directly in front of theirs, owned by the Knicks, and used that pick for Dieng just in case the trade did not go through and they could still get their guy Jalen. Who knows who Knicks or another team would have taken, but the reporting on why they ordered those picks the way they did made perfect sense. So I know there is luck involved for sure... but they also went and go the guy they wanted.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I doubt OKC is even interested in Lauri at this point. They got their 3 stars. They dont need or probably even want another max level player (at least one they have to give up significant assets for). They will be making moves on the margins to compete w/ whatever the meta shapes up to be.

Lauri might be the only guy they would have interest in as he'd fit perfectly. I don't think they aggressively pursue a deal for Lauri or anyone else that needs a big contract though unless they flame out hard in the next round.