Best Playoff Outcomes for Jazz Trades

[tksavis]

What exactly did the Knicks do to get as good as they are? That model is totally within our reach, and we are starting at a higher point than they did. They just kept hitting singles, drafted well, remained flexible, but, most importantly, stopped doing stupid Knick things.

They had the most borderline all star ever, added an undervalued guy instead of burning everything for the name brand "star," hired a good coach, then just started consolidating and upgrading. We can totally do that and it is an entirely feasible path to success.

Key part of the Knicks success is getting into the Eastern conference. How do we pull that off?

 

[underdog]

Even if we add a great talent, we'd still be in that playoff struggle. I mean, a team with LeBron and AD barely made it. The teams who made it and even the teams that did not make it are way more talented than us. We would need a great talent just to get into that bottom of playoff conversation. I'm sure we could eventually do it, but next year, it would be tough. And if we're not making the playoffs or struggling to do so, we're again in this middle ground. Getting the "great talent" is a challenge on it's own through trade and even with it, we're in a very competitive race. So yeah, the win now option looks very difficult. If you can get an elite talent or enough great talent to truly elevate us beyond a borderline playoff team by all means do it...I don't see it happening.

So you changed your mind. Now you say we can get to the playoffs without blowing this thing up. That’s great. But there’s no point speculating how well we would do in the playoffs because we don’t know what pieces we would’ve added and what the other teams would have next season, and the season after that, and the season after that, and so on.

 

[KqWIN]

So you changed your mind. Now you say we can get to the playoffs without blowing this thing up. That’s great. But there’s no point speculating how well we would do in the playoffs because we don’t know what pieces we would’ve added and what the other teams would have next season, and the season after that, and the season after that, and so on.

Excuse me? When did I change my mind? lol. Of course I think we could eventually get there, I was talking about next season which is why I outlined the playoff picture for next season. If that wasn’t clear, that’s what I meant.

I think you absolutely should speculate. If you want to make a plan to do something, you should speculate on the feasibility of the plan and the expected outcomes.

 

[underdog]

Excuse me? When did I change my mind? lol. Of course I think we could eventually get there, I was talking about next season which is why I outlined the playoff picture for next season. If that wasn’t clear, that’s what I meant.

I think you absolutely should speculate. If you want to make a plan to do something, you should speculate on the feasibility of the plan and the expected outcomes.

Yes we all speculate sometimes, but often it has little value because it is speculation. You talked about next season, but because developing a contender takes more than one season, we obviously need to look beyond that. I hope next season (or this summer) we try to find a star-level player who stays with us several years, build our depth, and develop our young players. Then we keep doing the same until we're at a contender level. Danny has enough bargaining chips. I'm not against the full tank route as such, but knowing that it is also a low-probability route (like all routes to championship), I'd rather see we try the first route before we consider blowing it up and plunging into many long years of losing basketball.

 

[gomretat]

I actually think Danny is the most "honest" exec out there in terms that he might actually tell the public the unvarnished truth about something that matters.

Hard to know what the unvarnished truth is from Danny since he will rarely talk to the Media. I heard the talking heads on 1280 say that there has never been a FO that was so inaccessible and they had lots of examples.

 

[jazznik]

What exactly did the Knicks do to get as good as they are? That model is totally within our reach, and we are starting at a higher point than they did.

The Knicks model is based on being in NYC and being the Knicks. Lake the Lakers, they can attract great players via the free agency: they did it with both Randle and Brunson. "This model is totally within our reach" only if you think that star players prefer going to Utah over other teams. Remember the famous quote: "You go play in Utah; I don't wanna." ?

 

[framer]

The Knicks model is based on being in NYC and being the Knicks. Lake the Lakers, they can attract great players via the free agency: they did it with both Randle and Brunson. "This model is totally within our reach" only if you think that star players prefer going to Utah over other teams. Remember the famous quote: "You go play in Utah; I don't wanna." ?

Meh, they got those players with capspace. And, if I remember correctly, because they struck out on their primary targets. Although Brunson and Randle had suiters, they were hardly the cream of the free agent crop. There has been many times in the past 5 years that you could have grabbed Randle from the Knicks for a pick and matching salary. We groused because we thought he might be a throw in in the possible Don deal. The Knicks just put players around Randle to finally make him a winner.

The Knicks true success has been on turning their late round picks into a consolidation of better players. Just don't bust out on your picks (especially when you have as many as we do) and we will be fine. Need a lot more Keyontes and fewer Ochais (although we didn't pick him.)

 

[fishonjazz]

The Knicks model is based on being in NYC and being the Knicks. Lake the Lakers, they can attract great players via the free agency: they did it with both Randle and Brunson. "This model is totally within our reach" only if you think that star players prefer going to Utah over other teams. Remember the famous quote: "You go play in Utah; I don't wanna." ?

Brunson wasn't a star player when he went to new York. Neither was randle. Neither player had been an all star when new York got them.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Meh, they got those players with capspace. And, if I remember correctly, because they struck out on their primary targets. Although Brunson and Randle had suiters, they were hardly the cream of the free agent crop. There has been many times in the past 5 years that you could have grabbed Randle from the Knicks for a pick and matching salary. We groused because we thought he might be a throw in in the possible Don deal. The Knicks just put players around Randle to finally make him a winner.

The Knicks true success has been on turning their late round picks into a consolidation of better players. Just don't bust out on your picks (especially when you have as many as we do) and we will be fine. Need a lot more Keyontes and fewer Ochais (although we didn't pick him.)

They got Brunson because of relationships

 

[framer]

They got Brunson because of relationships

Yeah, but Dallas fumbled him really badly either way.

 

[jazznik]

Brunson wasn't a star player when he went to new York. Neither was randle. Neither player had been an all star when new York got them.

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And they still were in-high-demand players, young, on the upswing on their career, had multiple options and went to NY. I do not know why it is such a controversial opinion that the Jazz struggle to attract impactful, in-demand players via free agency. Who were the biggest free agents in the last 25 years? Boozer (thanks to contract shenanigans), Okur, 30-year old Bojan, broken down Joe Johnson, Raja Bell and Matt Harpring?? Is it based on this illustrious free-agency track record we are supposed to seriously consider following the LA and NY blueprint in signing future core players as free agents?

I might offend some folks from SLC but the vast, vast majority of Americans in general, and professional NBA players in particular would rather live and work elsewhere but in Utah if given a choice. And moneywise, a star (or hoping to become a star) player would rather go to LA or NY even on a considerably lower contract because there they will get much more exposure and money from advertisers.

 

[fishonjazz]

And they still were in-high-demand players, young, on the upswing on their career, had multiple options and went to NY. I do not know why it is such a controversial opinion that the Jazz struggle to attract impactful, in-demand players via free agency. Who were the biggest free agents in the last 25 years? Boozer (thanks to contract shenanigans), Okur, 30-year old Bojan, broken down Joe Johnson, Raja Bell and Matt Harpring?? Is it based on this illustrious free-agency track record we are supposed to seriously consider following the LA and NY blueprint in signing future core players as free agents?

I might offend some folks from SLC but the vast, vast majority of Americans in general, and professional NBA players in particular would rather live and work elsewhere but in Utah if given a choice. And moneywise, a star (or hoping to become a star) player would rather go to LA or NY even on a considerably lower contract because there they will get much more exposure and money from advertisers.

You used the term "star player" not me. I was simply saying that those 2 weren't stars (which you seem to now agree with). You could have simply responded to my post with "ya you are right, those guys weren't stars". I never disputed that players choose other markets over slc lol.