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DutchJazzer said:
justified how so do explain.

not because i wasnt there or dont have evidence that it was not legal makes it legal.


I am just saying the legality may be in question. but since you are so sure about the legality and justifiability. I asked you for the evidence?

I never said i am 100% sure it was justified and legal. imho it is in question.
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It's justified because the dude killed over 3000 American civilians, and was actively planning more attacks on American civilians.

As to the legality of it- we in America are innocent until proven guilty. If you are saying they may be guilty of a crime, it would be up to you to prove they are guilty.
 
Gameface said:
I think he's saying that there was no question as to what Bin Laden was guilty of, so he deserved to die. By bombing, shoot-out, heart attack, execution-style shooting after being rendered helpless, being drawn and quartered, whatever.
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Exactly.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Exactly.
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but then again where's the evidence. where is the trial in a court of law?
where is the legality in all this.

now dont get me wrong not condoning what bin laden did. but in his point of view i Bet you he also thinks he is justified in doing what he did.
no whats the difference now between you and bin laden.

murder is ok as long as you think ur justified or some **** like that?

the problem is if we(the good guys) are just acting like the bad guys. whats the point then
 
We should have captured him and tried him. He could plead temporary insanity and get off with some mandatory therapy and community service.
 
SaltyDawg said:
So I ask again, even if they knelt Bin laden down and shot him in the head, would you prefer that to bombing the compound? Because it's pretty clear Bin Laden was getting killed either way. Taking him alive was not a serious option. If it were a serious option, they would have tased him, gassed him, shot him in the leg, or any number of non lethal forces the US military has at its disposal.

They didn't do any of that. They shot him in the head. Why? Because that is what they went there to do.
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You keep going back to the same limited options. Either murder him or bomb the compound. That is seriously short-sighted. The option I would choose, in your poorly thought-out question, would be to have them complete their mission and bring him back alive. If they had him safely in custody then knelt him down and shot him in the head it is illegal. Period. No debate. That is where throwing ethics and laws out the window come in to play. If they simply executed him while he was in custody, then that is just throwing the laws we have agreed to out the window.

The alternative if they had him in custody was to bring him back as Obama said their mission entailed.

You keep saying that even if they knelt him down and shot him in the head that the ONLY ALTERNATIVE was to bomb the place. I call ********. IF they had him in custody and were in a position to choose whether or not to execute him, they had plenty of options. Bringing him to justice, as was their mission as outlined by Obama, was just one of those options.
 
I think what actually went down may have been against the GC, which Obama and the Democrats have pretended to care about during the last 10 years.
The reason I think this is because of the conflicting stories, and the indecision on releasing the photos.
 
Millsapa said:
I think what actually went down may have been against the GC, which Obama and the Democrats have pretended to care about during the last 10 years.
The reason I think this is because of the conflicting stories, and the indecision on releasing the photos.
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thats why i have my doubts. look i get it why you bury obl at sea Israel does it all the time (although a lot of people around me seem to questioning the burial at sea). but so fast after the incident,no pictures, no videos, no body to investigate.
all the conflicting reports. makes me question it all.
this is turning internationally in a PR nightmare for usa. people are starting to question it al.
now maybe some of you don't care what foreigners think. but still with al technology available no seal was outfitted with some night vision camera? no evidence whatsoever. now if this evidence exist shouldn't the at least release it in some united nations assembly to certain governments/ certain diplomats. or are they afraid of wikileaks?

it is just buried in to much secrecy.
 
DutchJazzer said:
thats why i have my doubts. look i get it why you bury obl at sea Israel does it all the time (although a lot of people around me seem to questioning the burial at sea). but so fast after the incident,no pictures, no videos, no body to investigate.
all the conflicting reports. makes me question it all.
this is turning internationally in a PR nightmare for usa. people are starting to question it al.
now maybe some of you don't care what foreigners think. but still with al technology available no seal was outfitted with some night vision camera? no evidence whatsoever. now if this evidence exist shouldn't the at least release it in some united nations assembly to certain governments/ certain diplomats. or are they afraid of wikileaks?

it is just buried in to much secrecy.
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Maybe it's important for security reasons, maybe not. Maybe they are just covering their asses. It would, admittedly, be nice to have all the pertinent info laid out for examination by all - I'd love to know the details - but the U.S. gov't never works that way, right or wrong.
 
DutchJazzer said:
thats why i have my doubts. look i get it why you bury obl at sea Israel does it all the time (although a lot of people around me seem to questioning the burial at sea). but so fast after the incident,no pictures, no videos, no body to investigate.
all the conflicting reports. makes me question it all.
this is turning internationally in a PR nightmare for usa. people are starting to question it al.
now maybe some of you don't care what foreigners think. but still with al technology available no seal was outfitted with some night vision camera? no evidence whatsoever. now if this evidence exist shouldn't the at least release it in some united nations assembly to certain governments/ certain diplomats. or are they afraid of wikileaks?

it is just buried in to much secrecy.
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So what type of "consipracies" are you hinting at? You seem to strongly believe that our government is hiding something.

If they were hiding something Im pretty sure Osama's wife would not still be alive to tell her version of the story. She was right there when he was killed. I also dont believe the SEALS knew it was Osama until he was dead. The events would have happened so fast theres no way they could.

The only mistakes the administration is being to vague. Obama had to release the news to the world before it started getting out. Also some people in the Administration were probably "speculating" on alot of the details. In a perfect world the adminstration could have waited a few days until they got a full report back from the SEALS.

Also we dont owe your country or any other anything.
 
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