Bin Laden is dead

[SaltyDawg]

So here is the quote where I talked about the daughter rape thing. Care to point out where I changed it to "in my house". You make such a fool of yourself when you keep changing quotes then get proved wrong.

No of course Bin Laden is NOT an imminent threat just sitting there with his pen writing stuff down. If we walked in on him sitting at a desk, pen in hand, how is that IMMINENT. Go look up imminent please, so you are not, yet again, talking out of your ***.

Of course he poses a threat in general because he has plans to attack people, just as I would in my example about planning to blow up things in Reno. But that risk is in no way IMMINENT at that point in time.

Which part?

As for defending your family/property I know the laws vary somewhat state to state. In Nevada they have a so-called "Defend Your Castle" law that states if anyone enters your house, or ****s with your property (including family) you are fully within your rights to shoot them dead.

Our house was broken into last year and it kind of freaked me out for a few days (since I had moved here ahead of my family I was alone for a month or so after the breakin). I talked to the cop who came to take my report the night of the breakin and asked what he thought I should do, as in barricade the door (I couldn't get it fixed that time of night) or go stay elsewhere or what. He said "hell if it were me I would sit in the dark with the door wide open holding a shotgun hoping they come back". He said the laws were so strongly on the side of the homeowner in Nevada that as long as you, in his words, "can drag him to within a few yards of a window" you could kill them.

As far as the execution part I described, I am pretty sure it would be considered murder in every state, in those circumstances. Might get off due to temp insanity or something, but having the guy tied up with the police on the way, then shooting him in the head is pretty cut and dried illegal.

I am not the one talking out of my *** here. Clearly, you are talking about your house being broken into when millsapa asked if it was true (in regards to it being legal to shoot him).

So, speaking of looking like a fool when you change quotes and then get proven wrong....

I never said he was sitting there with a pen. I said he was planning attacks. What if he was on his computer? That IS imminent. What if he was on a cell phone? That IS imminent.

What if he was sitting at his desk but someone else in the room was holding a cell phone waiting for an order?

To add to this...

What if you had already seen plans of his to bomb something, and then have a second bomb go off after the rescue workers arrive?

What if you suspect he is strapped with explosives and only trying to lure you close enough to take you out with him?

What if you suspect there is a microphone in the room waiting for a code or something to be given and someone monitoring it in another location?

There are endless possibilities that could make Bin Laden an imminent threat, even if he was on his knees with his hands behind his head.

 

[One Brow]

I never said he was sitting there with a pen. I said he was planning attacks. What if he was on his computer? That IS imminent. What if he was on a cell phone? That IS imminent.

Now we have descended into the ludicrous. Osama has surrendered, but still has the DEADLY CELLPHONE! Shoot him!

What if you had already seen plans of his to bomb something, and then have a second bomb go off after the rescue workers arrive?

Plans don't explode.

What if you suspect he is strapped with explosives and only trying to lure you close enough to take you out with him?

Then we woudn't be hearing official reports he was unarmed.

What if you suspect there is a microphone in the room waiting for a code or something to be given and someone monitoring it in another location?

What if you suspect moonbeams may respond to his verbal commands and unleash the Holy hand Gernade of Antioch upon you?

There are endless possibilities that could make Bin Laden an imminent threat, even if he was on his knees with his hands behind his head.

For a given level of "probability" very difficult to distinguish from zero.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Now we have descended into the ludicrous. Osama has surrendered, but still has the DEADLY CELLPHONE! Shoot him!

It's not ludicrous at all. This is a guy who has been training countless soldiers to make IEDs that explode when called from a cell phone.

Plans don't explode.

Plans cause explosions though.

Then we woudn't be hearing official reports he was unarmed.

So what if he was unarmed? If the SEAL thought he was armed and an imminent threat, it is totally legal to shoot him. Whether he turns out to actually be armed doesn't matter.

What if you suspect moonbeams may respond to his verbal commands and unleash the Holy hand Gernade of Antioch upon you?

Or what if I just think I should have kept ignoring your posts like I have been for most of this thread?

For a given level of "probability" very difficult to distinguish from zero.

Not true at all. This is a guy who has an army of soldiers, almost all of which would love to be a martyr, and their leader who you are trying to take down has also vowed to go out as a martyr. He has a long history of deceptive bombings (I listed examples of a bomb, and then a secondary bomb a while later designed to take out rescue workers). He is a threat at almost any time and place you encounter him. And that threat increases if you are inside his compound, where he has multiple soldiers all over the place and has likely planned for this many times.

 

[One Brow]

It's not ludicrous at all. This is a guy who has been training countless soldiers to make IEDs that explode when called from a cell phone.

So he bombed his own house?

Plans cause explosions though.

You mean, when they are written in C4, or something? *chuckle*

So what if he was unarmed?

So he wasn't rigged with explosives.

Or what if I just think I should have kept ignoring your posts like I have been for most of this thread?

Feel free. I can show your points to be ludicrous and funny, whether you respond to them or not.

Not true at all.

*chuckle*

 

[TheDude]

You wouldnt put Osama past having IEDs in or around his mansion as a form of protection?

 

[LogGrad98]

I am not the one talking out of my *** here. Clearly, you are talking about your house being broken into when millsapa asked if it was true (in regards to it being legal to shoot him).

So, speaking of looking like a fool when you change quotes and then get proven wrong....

As for defending your family/property I know the laws vary somewhat state to state. In Nevada they have a so-called "Defend Your Castle" law that states if anyone enters your house, or ****s with your property (including family) you are fully within your rights to shoot them dead.

I guess the quote above is your "evidence". Ever heard of the word "or". Here is a definition for you:

or1    /ɔr; unstressed ər/ Show Spelled
[awr; unstressed er] Show IPA
–conjunction
1. (used to connect words, phrases, or clauses representing alternatives): books or magazines; to be or not to be.

See, break into your house OR **** with your property or family.

You really do have a hard time following along don't you. I will type this slow so you can follow it.

My first response was to the hypothetical about my daughter being raped. Never in that response did I CHANGE anything to say "in my house" as you asserted.

In the second response, I was replying to Milsapa asking if killing someone in that circumstance would be legal or not. I mentioned what I know of the law in Nevada and speculated on it to some degree as well.

Here is the part you are missing...THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TOPIC!!

I never said "when the guy broke into my house to rape my daughter", as you insinuated. I shifted from a discussion of the legality of protecting my daughter in the SPECIFIC SITUATION it was raised in, to a discussion of the right to defend oneself and one's property to address Milsapa's question. I used the breakin at my house as an example of the Nevada law. No more. No less.

The first response was to a hypothetical situation, with no location mentioned, and I answered it as such. The second was regarding the legality of the action, so I meantioned the laws of which I was aware. There are laws governing if it happens in your home, and also simply "protecting your property" regardless of location (car, neighbors house, back yard, park, whatever).

Show me in the second quote, about the laws in nevada regarding defending your property, where I actually CHANGED THE WORDING OF THE FIRST REPLY about the daughter rape scenario.

 

[One Brow]

You wouldnt put Osama past having IEDs in or around his mansion as a form of protection?

Sometimes IEDs explode when you don't want them to (if they are sensitive to work as IEDs). Blowing himself up by accident is something I would think he avoided.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So he bombed his own house?

Are you saying you can prove that nobody ever suspected he would do such a thing?

You mean, when they are written in C4, or something? *chuckle*

No, I mean when they instruct one of his operatives to blow something up.

So he wasn't rigged with explosives.

I don't know. But even if he wasn't, it doesn't mean the guy who put a bullet in his head wasn't worried about it or suspecting him of it. He doesn't have to be wired with explosives in order to make it legal to kill him. But if the Navy SEAL who shot him thought he might be, it is legal to kill him.

Feel free. I can show your points to be ludicrous and funny, whether you respond to them or not.

You've shown nothing other than your own take on this to be ludicrous or funny. But carry on. Chances are I will skip right past your posts like I usually do. I shouldn't have even replied to any of them at all.

 

[SaltyDawg]

blah, blah, blah, long *** post explaining why it's okay for me to change it up while constantly nagging like a little bitch whenever someone else does it...

Yeah, that's about right.

 

[One Brow]

Are you saying you can prove that nobody ever suspected he would do such a thing?

I'm sure just aobut anything has been suspectd by somebody.

No, I mean when they instruct one of his operatives to blow something up.

Making any threats not immanent.

But even if he wasn't, it doesn't mean the guy who put a bullet in his head wasn't worried about it or suspecting him of it.

Bin Laden walks around all day, every day with explosives strapped to him, just in case today is the day the SEALs arrive?

You've shown nothing other than your own take on this to be ludicrous or funny.

That you think you're making valid points makes it even funnier.

But carry on.

I shall.

Chances are I will skip right past your posts like I usually do.

Good for you. Mind you, when you're ignoring posts, or even have a poster on ignore, it's very important to broadcast it, so that everyone knows that's what you're doing. So, nice job there.

I shouldn't have even replied to any of them at all.

Sometimes you can't just help yourself, though.

 

[DutchJazzer]

lol while where at it lets jsut start shooting all muslims. and people who look like them. because they might have a peace of paper with the that explodes. or a ballpoint NUKE.

seriously a pen is a weapon but no match for a trained seal. unless the penholder might also be a seal then it would be a fight.

 

[SaltyDawg]

lol while where at it lets jsut start shooting all muslims. and people who look like them. because they might have a peace of paper with the that explodes. or a ballpoint NUKE.

seriously a pen is a weapon but no match for a trained seal. unless the penholder might also be a seal then it would be a fight.

Right, because shooting all people who look like muslims is the same thing as shooting the leader of a terrorist army who has declared war on America and attacked America many times, killing thousands of innocent civilians, and vowed to go out like a martyr if America ever found him.