Bin Laden is dead

[Boondocksaint27]

That's a good post, and I can see exactly where you're coming from. We just see it differently, that's all. At least you took the time to not look like a complete *****ird while doing it.

Yeah, this whole event evoked a stronger emotional response in me then I was anticipating

 

[TroutBum]

Trout, typically we agree on everything, but the huffington post loves to hire writers that monday-morning-quarterback events from the safety and security of their cushy desks while lacking any real life experience. huffington post<science

I totally agree, I can't stand Huffington, but it's hard to disagree with what was said in that article.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Let me also just add. Awesome ****ing assassination peeps. If this hasn't brought those scumbags to their knees, strike while the iron's hot and finish them off.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

1) No answer for this one, but I have to imagine that if they've been planning this attack out for the last week and got the tip on his location in August, that they would have medical examiners on scene not long after to legitimize him. They also supposedly had several facial recognition devices confirm it was him in the weeks before...supposedly.

2) DNA tests can be confirmed in minutes to hours if the resources are available right away. The reason you usually hear about DNA test results taking so long is because they more often than not use mail in services, in which case it takes anywhere from days to weeks depending on the location of the labs. I've had family in Las Vegas that have had DNA tests run and had the results within a day. If they already had DNA samples from him, which they allegedly did, it should have been a breeze.

3) This also factors in to the above, but our government has supposedly had DNA samples for the last decade that have been provided by the cooperative family members that we escorted out of Afghanistan in 2001 after the attacks.

Clearly some of this is subject to speculation, just what I've gathered.

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Thanks bro.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

A few questions and if these have already been addressed I apologize.

1) How did they do the DNA test on him? They did it once aboard the ship/boat? I can't imagine the SEALS were carrying them around.

2) How did they confirm it was him so quickly? I thought it generally takes a long time to get DNA results back, no matter who's involved.

3) What the heck did they have to test it against? I want to say he had close family who lived in Boston, MA but I'm not sure.

Any answers to these questions are much appreciated.

1- They first did an eyeball check on him and it looked like him, then they had one of his wives(former wives?) verify it was him, then they used the DNA test.... could have been done from the chopper, or a boat?

2- The War room in Washington had a live feed of the battle.....technology is pretty impressive... you can send DNA information I'm sure using their secure lines... or whatever they use. Satellites?

3- Years ago they got some DNA samples from family in one of the places he lived. I believe it was specifically his DNA, and not just a family members that would be close.

Just what I have heard here and there.

No links, I am too lazy.

-- wow, my post lagged a long time.... dtol's answers were better anyways.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

I agree with Trout and One Brow here. I'm not sure it's simply because another human being is dead as much as it is that our celebrations mimic exactly what many Muslims (I don't know who; certain sects I guess) did in the Mid-East and elsewhere immediately following the 9/11 attacks. The reasons are different sure but it's the same sad act. Taking to the streets, cheering, chanting, mindless participation. Really? We're not better than that? We don't know to toss the football to the ref after scoring a touchdown like we've done it before? I find it sort of sickening. War, other than the end of one, is nothing to revel in. I'm sorry.

I'm getting the feeling that all of a sudden Patriotism is being frowned upon in this country, maybe it's just me. Again, 3,000 innocent lives lost does not equate to the death of one murderous coward. Therefore they are not the same to me. Unfortunately the Bush Jr. administration made a traveshamockery of the word "Patriotism" and through political bantering the word "Patriot" became synonymous with "blind follower". But, why, WHY do we have to shake our heads in disgust at those celebrating a love of country and closure for thousands of people.

 

[Scat]

Apparently the info that led the CIA to the courier which eventually led us to bin Laden was acquired by using the much derided water boarding technique on none other than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and was consequently confirmed by water boarding a second detainee.

In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

If they could find that courier, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

 

[YB85]

I agree with Trout and One Brow here. I'm not sure it's simply because another human being is dead as much as it is that our celebrations mimic exactly what many Muslims (I don't know who; certain sects I guess) did in the Mid-East and elsewhere immediately following the 9/11 attacks. The reasons are different sure but it's the same sad act. Taking to the streets, cheering, chanting, mindless participation. Really? We're not better than that? We don't know to toss the football to the ref after scoring a touchdown like we've done it before? I find it sort of sickening. War, other than the end of one, is nothing to revel in. I'm sorry.

I completely disagree. This was the face of 9-11. This was the face of the African embassy bombings. This was the face of the USS Cole. This was the guy who posted videos/audio threatening American and western interests and the guy who eluded capture for more than 13 years. He was the symbol of the fear that has hung over America for the past 10 years and the guy who gave the sword rattlers all the alibi they needed to start wars. Personally, I don't have even the slightest problem with the celebrations outside the White House or in Times Square or especially at Ground Zero. Did his death win the war? No, but does his death take away the most infamous boogey man the world has seen since probably Hitler? Damn straight. Celebrate, dance, do what you wanna do. Or don't. I'm just not going to criticize those who felt that celebrating this ******** death felt like the right thing to do.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

I completely disagree. This was the face of 9-11. This was the face of the African embassy bombings. This was the face of the USS Cole. This was the guy who posted videos/audio threatening American and western interests and the guy who eluded capture for more than 13 years. He was the symbol of the fear that has hung over America for the past 10 years and the guy who gave the sword rattlers all the alibi they needed to start wars. Personally, I don't have even the slightest problem with the celebrations outside the White House or in Times Square or especially at Ground Zero. Did his death win the war? No, but does his death take away the most infamous boogey man the world has seen since probably Hitler? Damn straight. Celebrate, dance, do what you wanna do. Or don't. I'm just not going to criticize those who felt that celebrating this ******** death felt like the right thing to do.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to YB85 again.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm getting the feeling that all of a sudden Patriotism is being frowned upon in this country, maybe it's just me. Again, 3,000 innocent lives lost does not equate to the death of one murderous coward. Therefore they are not the same to me. Unfortunately the Bush Jr. administration made a traveshamockery of the word "Patriotism" and through political bantering the word "Patriot" became synonymous with "blind follower". But, why, WHY do we have to shake our heads in disgust at those celebrating a love of country and closure for thousands of people.

I'm not shaking my head in disgust. Perhaps sort of sickening was a bit strong. Again, I guess my general take is that nothing about war is something to revel in, other than the end of it of course.

Like I said, I'm stoked we killed his ***. And given how fractured they may be, we need to pounce now.

 

[Scat]

I completely disagree. This was the face of 9-11. This was the face of the African embassy bombings. This was the face of the USS Cole. This was the guy who posted videos/audio threatening American and western interests and the guy who eluded capture for more than 13 years. He was the symbol of the fear that has hung over America for the past 10 years and the guy who gave the sword rattlers all the alibi they needed to start wars.

Don't forget the soldiers that died in the dirty streets of Mogadishu, Somalia.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I completely disagree. This was the face of 9-11. This was the face of the African embassy bombings. This was the face of the USS Cole. This was the guy who posted videos/audio threatening American and western interests and the guy who eluded capture for more than 13 years. He was the symbol of the fear that has hung over America for the past 10 years and the guy who gave the sword rattlers all the alibi they needed to start wars. Personally, I don't have even the slightest problem with the celebrations outside the White House or in Times Square or especially at Ground Zero. Did his death win the war? No, but does his death take away the most infamous boogey man the world has seen since probably Hitler? Damn straight. Celebrate, dance, do what you wanna do. Or don't. I'm just not going to criticize those who felt that celebrating this ******** death felt like the right thing to do.

I totally respect your opinion and understand your position. In fact, I'd say it's tough for me not to agree with it. And I would never tell someone not to celebrate. It's just not my cup of tea I suppose.