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BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

WILLIAMS: Turned around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

PANETTA: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

WILLIAMS: So, finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes waterboarding?

PANETTA: That's correct.
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Nobody in the Obama administration is going to admit specifically that water boarding procured the necessary intel to nail OBL. The most telling sign to me is that nobody has flat out denied that it worked, including the director of the CIA. Regardless, whether they got the necessary intel during an "enhanced interrogation session" or if an "enhanced session" simply softened detainees for later "non-enhanced sessions", the water boarding was effective.
 
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franklin said:
spitting warm coals
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Someones cheerios got pissed in this week.

Terrorist? Weenie whistle celebrating on the streets?

...but I do commend your attempt at spitting the hot fire. Good day sir.
 
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interessting. I wont comment in this thread ebcause of all the neg rep i will receive.
btu a congratulations is kinda in order.

congrats america
 
So they are officially going with no photo because they claim the big bad Muslims will get riled up ? Can't say I'm surprised. I wonder if they ever say the same thing when they are debating blowing ****/people up in Middle Eastern countries? You think that might rile them up? Cowards. The posed photo of them in the war room is more offensive.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
So they are officially going with no photo because they claim the big bad Muslims will get riled up ? Can't say I'm surprised. I wonder if they ever say the same thing when they are debating blowing ****/people up in Middle Eastern countries? You think that might rile them up? Cowards. The posed photo of them in the war room is more offensive.
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I was totally serious about wanting more information regarding the links between JBS and the Illuminati. That could lead to the greatest dinner conversation of my lifetime. Cough up the goods please!
 
I could care less about seeing any photos. All I care about is the fact that the guy is either dead or (for you conspiracy nutjobs) in US custody getting waterboarded somewhere. It's not like if he was still out there they would have made this the event it has become.
 
Marcus said:
Nobody in the Obama administration is going to admit specifically that water boarding procured the necessary intel to nail OBL. The most telling sign to me is that nobody has flat out denied that it worked, including the director of the CIA.
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Given that Panetta wasn't director of the CIA during the water-boarding period I think it's entirely possible he doesn't actually know what intel was acquired which way. He's probably mostly just getting the results rather than the blow-by-blow because of his position. He's not in a fantastic position to universally deny something that didn't occur on his watch and being wrong would certainly be embarassing.

However, you're engaging in the logically questionable tactic of implying something based on a non-denial. Certainly we've backed way off your original stance of "Waterboarding of KSM specifically directly led to the attack." Given that the facts do not support that view, that's a strategic retreat on your part.

Regardless, whether they got the necessary intel during an "enhanced interrogation session" or if an "enhanced session" simply softened detainees for later "non-enhanced sessions", the water boarding was effective.
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That's assuming the conclusion. A position that every piece of information collected post-waterboarding, whether or not it was obtained during waterboarding and whether or not it increased the proportion of truthful information, can be attributed to waterboarding is intellectually dishonest and inherently non-falsifiable.

Why do you feel the need to defend torture? This is truly what I don't understand. It's one thing to say that it happened and we might have gotten something from it. It's quite another to actively and rabidly try to capitalize on an intelligence success as a prescription for more torture.
 
Ostertag>Duncan said:
Someones cheerios got pissed in this week.

Terrorist? Weenie whistle celebrating on the streets?

...but I do commend your attempt at spitting the hot fire. Good day sir.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Have you been watching Barney a lot lately?

Sirkickyass said:
I was totally serious about wanting more information regarding the links between JBS and the Illuminati. That could lead to the greatest dinner conversation of my lifetime. Cough up the goods please!
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PM sent. It was the Mormon Birchers who killed JFK, says this undercover FBI operative.
 
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