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SaltyDawg said:
So to be clear, are you saying John McCain got on the senate floor and flat out lied?

Panetta never directly said waterboarding lead to Bin laden. He said some detainees had in fact been waterboarded, and the intel that lead to Bin Laden had in fact come from some detainees (at least the quotes you posted). But I don't see where he is directly saying "We waterboarded this guy and that's how we got the tip that lead to Bin Laden."
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I'm saying he contradicted Panettas statement.
Panetta says that they got information from multiple detainees (for this situation) and that some of these detainees were waterboarded when they got the information from them.
 
Millsapa said:
I'm saying he contradicted Panettas statement.
Panetta says that they got information from multiple detainees (for this situation) and that some of these detainees were waterboarded when they got the information from them.
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In the quotes you posted, Panetta says they got information from multiple detainees, and some detainees were waterboarded. But he never says the detainees that were waterboarded gave the tips that lead to Bin Laden.
 
SaltyDawg said:
In the quotes you posted, Panetta says they got information from multiple detainees, and some detainees were waterboarded. But he never says the detainees that were waterboarded gave the tips that lead to Bin Laden.
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Yes he does, or else why would he say the following?:

Panetta said:
But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether-- whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question.
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Millsapa said:
Yes he does, or else why would he say the following?:
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That is not equal to "The tip that directly lead to Bin Laden was acquired through the use of waterboarding."

McCain flat out says it did not. There is no "If you try real hard you might be able to interpret it like this" about what McCain said.
 
Ya'll are arguing about the same stuff you were 25 pages and almost 2 weeks ago. And have you gotten anywhere? No. An exercise in head-banging.
 
SaltyDawg said:
That is not equal to "The tip that directly lead to Bin Laden was acquired through the use of waterboarding."

McCain flat out says it did not. There is no "If you try real hard you might be able to interpret it like this" about what McCain said.
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There wasn't "the tip;" there were multiple tips and some came from detainees who were waterboarded, according to Panetta.
 
Millsapa said:
There wasn't "the tip;" there were multiple tips and some came from detainees who were waterboarded, according to Panetta.
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Not according to McCain. According to McCain, there was a tip from another country that they acquired through traditional interrogation of someone they had in custody. And that tip was the name of Bin Laden's courier, which is how they found Bin laden.

The quotes you keep referring to from Panetta don't really say anything. Just a politician dodging questions by giving generic answers that could be interpreted many different ways.

McCain left absolutely no doubt about what he was saying. There is only 1 way to interpret it. He was perfectly clear- the tip that lead to Bin Laden was not acquired through waterboarding.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Not according to McCain. According to McCain, there was a tip from another country that they acquired through traditional interrogation of someone they had in custody. And that tip was the name of Bin Laden's courier, which is how they found Bin laden.

The quotes you keep referring to from Panetta don't really say anything. Just a politician dodging questions by giving generic answers that could be interpreted many different ways.

McCain left absolutely no doubt about what he was saying. There is only 1 way to interpret it. He was perfectly clear- the tip that lead to Bin Laden was not acquired through waterboarding.
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Point: What does it matter what McCain said if his story isn't factual?

It has now come down to a "he said he said" situation, so I guess we can leave it at that.

By the way, did you vote for McCain?
 
Millsapa said:
Point: What does it matter what McCain said if his story isn't factual?

It has now come down to a "he said he said" situation, so I guess we can leave it at that.

By the way, did you vote for McCain?
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No, I did not vote for McCain. But I still have no reason to think he would get on the Senate floor and flat out lie.

As to your point, again, it's not a he said she said. McCain is saying what happened, and clarifying the comments made by others. You seem to be claiming that McCain contradicted Panetta, but he didn't. You are reading into Panetta's comments what you want to see. Panetta never said "waterboarding got us the tip that lead to Bin Laden" and that is what McCain is clearing up.

MCCain flat out said waterboarding did not get us the tip that lead to Bin Laden, and he said waterboarding actually got us a bunch of false info. I have not heard anyone involved claim McCain was wrong in his statements.

So it's not a he said she said. Unless you can find where Panetta says McCain is wrong, then it would become a he said she said.
 
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