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Black or Wallace?

Which point guard would rather have with the 9th pick?

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Cason was dealing with a lot of injuries in SEC play and it tanked his stats.
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He was shooting around 40% from 3 most of the year. He also was switched to lead ball handler midseason which he did well at, but there was of course a curve he was working through there too.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I also don’t dislike Cason. I would very happy if we drafted him. Thing is I wouldn’t take him over anyone in my top-9 and Dallas isn’t taking him so if we really wanted him we could either trade up from 16 to get him or trade down from 9 a couple spots.
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If I can get Cason with the 2nd pick then I most certainly do that.

I’ve got crosshairs on Dallas. Seems there’s a good match here. Honestly, #16, Ochai, and Olynyk for one of their dead-salary players and #10 is a screaming deal for them and a cost that I’m fine with.
 
KqWIN said:
Thoughts on Cason....IDK why people keep calling him small. He very clearly has plus size at the PG position, and he does very well at the things size is supposed to do. He was great at the rim, he's great at making passes in traffic, and out of all the PG's in the draft I would trust him most to guard a bigger player. So even if you think he's small on measurements (he's not), he's good at all the things size is supposed to help you with so why does it matter?

I think his playmaking is probably his most underrated trait, especially in comparison to Black. His AST/TOV was fantastic. He does have quite the number of "highlight reel" passes as Black, but he has his fair share and is also really great at protecting the ball. I have no questions about him running PnR in half court. He's super comfortable in the middle of the court and is a threat to shoot, drive, and pass. Having said that, I do think he's a guy who's going to rely on getting good screens at the NBA. He doesn't have enough natural burst or ball handling to get by defenders on his own.

Defensively I think he's the best guard in the draft. He is fantastic on and off the ball. Love how he gets around screens and plays gaps. I am not sure he will get to the Jrue/Smart level of defender at the position, but he has the potential to be that elite level defensive guard. Overall a very solid player with very few weaknesses. Not much bad to say about him, but also doesn't have the same peaks that you get from Black when you watch him play.
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KqWIN said:
I doubt we’ll have a choice. But a lot of what this comes down to is the injury situation with Wallace. 1) how much did it affect him 2) will it be an issue going forward. The answer to 1 is….a lot. Everything was so much better before he was hurt and it seemed to get progressively worse. The answer to #2? Impossible to say.

I do think my opinions on them as individuals are a little bit different than being. For one, I reject this idea that Anthony Black is an elite passer and playmaker. He is good, but elite is a whole different thing. I think he makes good passes for a guy that is 6’7….but he really needs the “for 6’7” qualifier. I think that he has big question marks on his playmaking in the half court, particularly when you combine it with his lack of jumper. IMO, it’s still very much a question mark if he’d good enough to be a full time PG.

However, what he does not get enough credit for is his ability to get to the line. His percentage at the rim is not great, but he gets there a lot and gets to the line a ton. I think he will be able to score at the rim at the next level, and getting to the FT line is a skill that’s hard to develop in the league. It’s almost more like a trait.

Defensively I think he’s great, especially off the ball and making chaos. He does not look amazing when getting around screens, however, and that could be problematic as a point of attack defender. I think he’s kind of like an A off ball defender, but B level point of attack defender.

Cason thoughts in a bit….
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Killer posts. 100% co-sign.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I also don’t dislike Cason. I would very happy if we drafted him. Thing is I wouldn’t take him over anyone in my top-9 and Dallas isn’t taking him so if we really wanted him we could either trade up from 16 to get him or trade down from 9 a couple spots.
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This.

People get all in their feelings about some of these guys. Wallace is fine in the 10-14 range but I don't think he's a top 9 talent in this draft. I think we see a dropoff once you get to about 10. Some say Kentucky guards always over produce their draft slot but that wasn't the case with Ty Ty last season. Yes they are totally different prospects.
 
HeatCheck said:
This.

People get all in their feelings about some of these guys. Wallace is fine in the 10-14 range but I don't think he's a top 9 talent in this draft. I think we see a dropoff once you get to about 10. Some say Kentucky guards always over produce their draft slot but that wasn't the case with Ty Ty last season. Yes they are totally different prospects.
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Yeah, cuz TyTy sucks. It’s not a law of physics.
 
HeatCheck said:
This.

People get all in their feelings about some of these guys. Wallace is fine in the 10-14 range but I don't think he's a top 9 talent in this draft. I think we see a dropoff once you get to about 10. Some say Kentucky guards always over produce their draft slot but that wasn't the case with Ty Ty last season. Yes they are totally different prospects.
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He was the 29th pick on the Houston Rockets jackass. The fact that he played at all is him outplaying his draft position already. Let's see what he does in the future before calling that one eh?

He also averaged 23-6-5 in the G-League.
 
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