Bully slapdown
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Duck Rodgers
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Here's the video for anybody that hasn't seen. Well the "remix" at least:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f97tV28wOg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f97tV28wOg4
I was actually in this movie. You can see me blur by in the fight scene at the end. I am the tall good looking blur.
My brother's G-friend at the time was in it as well. You see her sitting at her desk for about a microsecond.
So you are going to enforce the no fighting policy (punish the people who fight back) but let the bullies do their thing? I am fine if you want to enforce the no fighting with a heavy hand but you better be heavier handed with the ones who start it. In this case the little prick got what he deserved.
Stickler
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When I was a kid growing up in the Utah school systems, fighting was an automatic one day suspension for both students, regardless of who started it or what the circumstances were surrounding the fight. I support this policy.
It is valuable to teach a kid early on in life that authority figures cannot be relied upon for justice. It feels right and natural to me that standing up for yourself and doing the right thing in general is something that society will dumbly punish. Knowing that, and doing the right thing anyway, becomes an act of special courage. Which is as it should be. Steels a kid into a good man.
I support this kid. I don't know how long the vultures have been tormenting him or how long ago this happened, but the humiliation of this video may cause them to go after the kid with renewed intensity. They may want revenge, they may want to save face -- it's that thing that fighters are taught about how violence, by its nature, doesn't want to end. I hope and suspect that he's done taking their ****, and has steeled his heart in preparation to do it again and again if he has to.
It is valuable to teach a kid early on in life that authority figures cannot be relied upon for justice. It feels right and natural to me that standing up for yourself and doing the right thing in general is something that society will dumbly punish. Knowing that, and doing the right thing anyway, becomes an act of special courage. Which is as it should be. Steels a kid into a good man.
I support this kid. I don't know how long the vultures have been tormenting him or how long ago this happened, but the humiliation of this video may cause them to go after the kid with renewed intensity. They may want revenge, they may want to save face -- it's that thing that fighters are taught about how violence, by its nature, doesn't want to end. I hope and suspect that he's done taking their ****, and has steeled his heart in preparation to do it again and again if he has to.
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When I was a kid growing up in the Utah school system fights happened and the teachers made you sit at your desk or gave you detention after school. That was about it. I have a friend who broke his wrist in a fall during a fight and he did 2 hours of detention after school with a broken wrist. Of course I was in school in Utah when it was still ok for teachers to whack you with a paddle with holes drilled in it if you mis-behaved. I had teachers throw chalk and erasers at me, and one who would smack you with a yard-stick, often hard enough to break it. Yet another teacher favored smacking you with the spine of a book on the head if you were out of line. I am glad they deal with fighting and bullying more strictly now.
Recently my 14 year old son was being bullied at school. The other kid was smaller than my son (for 14 my son is a big kid), but had friends backing him up. Plus my son is in a new school he moved into during the school year in a different state. That is a tough situation. One day in gym class the bully hit my son on the chin. My son doesn't take very kindly to that sort of thing so he decked the kid, literally. One punch, kid hit the ground. In the investigation they found corroboration that the bullying had been ongoing for sometime (at least 2 months), and that my son struck only in self-defense, and that it was the first time he had fought back. My son was suspended for one day for continuing a fight, the other kid was expelled and cannot be reinstated until he shows proof of going through a state-sponsored youth anger-management class.
That is the way it should be handled. Intigation needs to carry a stiffer penalty than self-defense. Fighting at all needs to be dealt with strictly enough to deter it in the future, but far and away the instigator, the bully, needs greater punishment.
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Wow I was just able to see the video due to work restrictions I had to work around...did he break the kids leg?
And I say good for him. I think that bullying little **** will think twice before going at someone again. You also gotta give the kid credit, he took several punches to the head before he felt he had to defend himself. If that isn't showing restraint I don't know what is. If I saw that video and it was my kid who started it I would tell him I hope he hurts pretty good from the body slam. Serves him right for starting **** like that. And I would make him apologize.
I do think the bigger kid needs a suspension just to reinforce the no tolerance policy, but that would be about it. You cannot punish the kid too severely for merely defending himself, but you do want the student body to recognize that fighting on either side will not be tolerated.
Of course I cannot get audio, so I couldn't hear what was being said if anything. Still that bully needs to be expelled or at least suspended for a good long time.
Forget the suspension. WWE should be on the telephone offering a huge contract while he's out of school. Kid should demand more time off and laugh all the way to the bank.
Darkwing Duck
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What do you tell the kid that fears defending himself from bullies because he's afraid he'll be suspended?
I have told my boys that if I ever get a call that they fought back against a bully, no punishment would happen. If I ever get the call that they are the bully, all hell will break loose. As an 8th grader I was harassed by a gang of bullies and it got to the point that I was almost afraid to go to school. No kid should ever go through that.
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If they really did not punish the instigator then the administration at that school needs to be fired and their teaching/admin certificates revoked for life.
It worked well in my son's case. It was explained to him that he was being suspended for one day to stress the point that the school does not condone fighting or fighting back, but that it would have no other repercussions than missing a day of school. They even excused his school work for that day so he didn't have to make anything up.
The other kid, the bully, was so severely punished for it that the contrast really made the difference. In no way did it send a message that you should not defend yourself, rather the message they got out in a communication through home room teachers is that bullying will not be tolerated, and that kids need to talk about it to teachers or administrators before it reaches a point of escalation. They said of course every case is unique, but they also clearly outlined what the punishment was for the bully. I know from my son and his friends that kids took notice.