Bully slapdown
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gregbroncs
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I was sort of a bully when younger. I was never violent but did tease kids to tears on numerous occasions. I have regretted it for years and if I could remember their names and find them I would apologize for it. Bullies do it to be popular with their friends, at least that was my experience. My particular group of friends was not nice to less popular kids. It was a way to fit in with that group.
This kid fully deserved his beat down and should be kicked out of school. The kid defending himself has obviously gone through this for a while. He was right to defend himself, but a suspension as others have said was warranted. If he had gone to teachers prior to this instance he could have probably avoided it.
If the school did not punish the bully then the parents of big kid need to press charges against the school and the parents of the bully. Their son should not have to go through this abuse.
The school my daughter goes to does a good job of trying to find the bullies and punish them. They encourage kids to talk to parents/teachers/principal and will do so anonymously so as to avoid retribution. I hope it works.
I am with YB and his reaction if my kids are bullied or become bullies. Being a bully will not be tolerated.
This kid fully deserved his beat down and should be kicked out of school. The kid defending himself has obviously gone through this for a while. He was right to defend himself, but a suspension as others have said was warranted. If he had gone to teachers prior to this instance he could have probably avoided it.
If the school did not punish the bully then the parents of big kid need to press charges against the school and the parents of the bully. Their son should not have to go through this abuse.
The school my daughter goes to does a good job of trying to find the bullies and punish them. They encourage kids to talk to parents/teachers/principal and will do so anonymously so as to avoid retribution. I hope it works.
I am with YB and his reaction if my kids are bullied or become bullies. Being a bully will not be tolerated.
DutchJazzer
Banned
Maybe you can teach your kid if they see bullying they would stand up and help the victim. wouldnt that be better.
people not only kids are always standing by doing nothing. if its bullying or a crime.
DutchJazzer
Banned
that ussualy wont help.
gregbroncs
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Not always but at least if a teacher knows about it when something like this happens they can go to the teacher and get backing for defending themselves. There is not always going to be somebody filming it.
Stickler
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Yes, that's what people generally say about bullies. And it's often true. However, bullies are people, with emotions and thoughts and fears and hopes, just like anybody else. They are not automatons who will automatically react in a guaranteed predictable fashion. The little guy on his own probably wouldn't go after "the Hero" again, as he probably now realizes how stupid it was to screw with a guy twice his weight and a head taller than he is...
But there are at least three guys in the group that has been tormenting our hero. We know this because there's a guy filming it and egging the little guy on, and the taller guy who stepped to our hero after he body-slammed the little guy as if to defend him. This introduces a social dynamic into the bullying that your binary yes/no check-box understanding of bullies doesn't account for.
And, of course, even without the social dynamic you'd probably be wrong more often than you're right. But I'm sure you're quite used to that.
vegas
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I think your example is a good response. I think that schools have to avoid violence at all costs. The days where people fought man to man are gone. Weapons are common.
When I was in Jr High (in Utah) in the early 90s, a kid that brought a 45 to school because he was fighting a gang member--in case anybody else jumped in, fortunately he didn't use it. Another kid packed a .22 rifle in his levis (I know) and shot himself in the foot in shop class. Most of those kids didn't continue on to high school, but most kids kept bats etc in their cars just in case they got into a fight. Since then, I'm not up to speed on what is 'cool' in school, but I imagine it is worse.
Because of crazy people, I think schools have to avoid violence at all costs. Death and serious injury are not a risk they can take. Yes, I lost a good friend to a gang-related shooting in high school (not at school). I'm sure I'm not the only one.
DutchJazzer
Banned
It might be a good response but i got in a "fight" and i did not start that particular fight. so as a kid when i got suspended I did not understand. I did the "right" thing and got punished. so what u thinks happen when the kid grows up and got punished for the right thing? will i stand up and fight for me or more importantly someone else. hell yeah! what did i learn instead?that man made laws are stupid and cowardice.
all thise law?rule create is more bystanders who watch
enchilada_style
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DUDE, simmer down. Your idea of the right thing is not universal. You are very caught up in the underdog story of this. It's cute.
DutchJazzer
Banned
ooh really underdog? did you see how big the dude was. the bully is the underdog. it's is the universal right thing to do turning the other cheek clearly did not help. clearly the victim is no underdog.
again you fail
Same here. The problem with gangs of the jackasses that even fighting back only solves the problem for a little bit. On a side tangent, all I hear from people is "stand up to bullies, hit them and they'll never mess with you again." That's fine advice with a solo bully or in the Leave it to Beaver days, but when I went to school it just meant you were going to get jumped by him and his ******* friends later.
JJ Rage
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Like many others here, I experience bullying at a younger age. Retaliating like this worked for me back, and while I don't think that necessarily makes it right, that little **** got exactly what he deserved.
When I started 7th grade, I was in a new town with no friends and that made me a pretty easy target. A group of wannabe skinheads caught wind that my stepfather was Jewish, and that's all the reason they needed to intensify their efforts. Also this town was small enough that the Junior High and High School were in the same building, so it wasn't uncommon for me to get jumped after school by people way older than me. The school administration did nothing, and eventually I just refused to go to school. I home schooled for awhile, then we moved again (a common theme of my childhood) and I finished out 7th grade in Salt Lake City.
My stepdad pointed out to me that I was bigger than most of the people picking on me, and something dawned on me that I could probably defend myself pretty easily. Mix that with an affinity for pro wrestling, and I went through quite the attitude change when it came to bullies. The first time I got bullied after moving to Utah, it was a skinny little twerp just like the one in the video. He yanked a stool out from underneath me, I naturally fell on my ***. I responded my picking up the stool and throwing it at him, knocking him right on his ***. He didn't **** with me after that.
It ended up being the first of many physical altercations I'd be in for the rest of my time in school. But I never bullied, never got into anything where I wasn't either defending myself or otherwise sending a message to a wannabe bully to back the **** off. I never let bullying happen to me more than once after my 7th grade experience. A a few years later, during class, a kid sitting next to me ripped a fart and tried to pin it on me, and moments later shot a spitball at the side of my face. As he turned to laugh with one of his cool kid friends, I stood up and punched him in the head. Again, he never ****ed with me again.
If bullying isn't addressed right away some way or another, it can fester. 3-4 years later, that fat kid might take all the anger from years of bullying and decide to bring a knife or gun to school, with a plan to use it.
I'm hoping that this video being out there helps this kid. There was one incident for me in early in high school that pretty much made sure no one was going to bother bullying me (or my friends) again. One persistent bully who'd given up on picking on me directly decided to target my friends. In a true act of cowardice, he pulled the "pull the chair out from underneath you" stunt that had happened to me years earlier. He pulled this on a girl, a good friend of mine, who was 5 foot nothing at best, and probably weighed about 90 lbs. She'd done nothing to provoke this, he was just trying to **** with my friends. He stood there laughing as she was on the ground in pain from the fall, and I chased after him. He ran himself into a corner, and he turned and tried to run past me, but I grabbed him by the throat and held him against the wall. At the top of my lungs, I screamed "Do something like that again and I'll ****ing kill you!". Then I let him go, and he ran. I got a mere one-day suspension, he got two. I got lucky. No administrator actually saw it happen, and when he reported the incident, the few witnesses that were called in to give their version of the story all took my side, saying I was defending another student.
That happened in the school cafeteria, during a lunch period. In front of who knows how many students. That pretty much put an end to any and all bullying for the rest of my time in high school.
The bigger problem is that schools aren't doing enough to crack down on this stuff. You know why bullying doesn't get reported? Because it results in worse bullying. My awful 7th grade experience only worsened when brought to the attention of the administration, because they would never actually punish the offenders, they'd just threaten to punish. Admonish them. They'd never actually do anything to truly put a stop to it.
I understand why the bigger kid got suspended, he hurt another student and that's never really "okay". But the smaller kid not getting punished is an outrage. They're teaching the bigger kid that defending yourself is bad, an teaching the small little **** that it's okay to bully because there are no consequences (other than a broken bone or two thanks to a sweet power slam).
When I started 7th grade, I was in a new town with no friends and that made me a pretty easy target. A group of wannabe skinheads caught wind that my stepfather was Jewish, and that's all the reason they needed to intensify their efforts. Also this town was small enough that the Junior High and High School were in the same building, so it wasn't uncommon for me to get jumped after school by people way older than me. The school administration did nothing, and eventually I just refused to go to school. I home schooled for awhile, then we moved again (a common theme of my childhood) and I finished out 7th grade in Salt Lake City.
My stepdad pointed out to me that I was bigger than most of the people picking on me, and something dawned on me that I could probably defend myself pretty easily. Mix that with an affinity for pro wrestling, and I went through quite the attitude change when it came to bullies. The first time I got bullied after moving to Utah, it was a skinny little twerp just like the one in the video. He yanked a stool out from underneath me, I naturally fell on my ***. I responded my picking up the stool and throwing it at him, knocking him right on his ***. He didn't **** with me after that.
It ended up being the first of many physical altercations I'd be in for the rest of my time in school. But I never bullied, never got into anything where I wasn't either defending myself or otherwise sending a message to a wannabe bully to back the **** off. I never let bullying happen to me more than once after my 7th grade experience. A a few years later, during class, a kid sitting next to me ripped a fart and tried to pin it on me, and moments later shot a spitball at the side of my face. As he turned to laugh with one of his cool kid friends, I stood up and punched him in the head. Again, he never ****ed with me again.
If bullying isn't addressed right away some way or another, it can fester. 3-4 years later, that fat kid might take all the anger from years of bullying and decide to bring a knife or gun to school, with a plan to use it.
I'm hoping that this video being out there helps this kid. There was one incident for me in early in high school that pretty much made sure no one was going to bother bullying me (or my friends) again. One persistent bully who'd given up on picking on me directly decided to target my friends. In a true act of cowardice, he pulled the "pull the chair out from underneath you" stunt that had happened to me years earlier. He pulled this on a girl, a good friend of mine, who was 5 foot nothing at best, and probably weighed about 90 lbs. She'd done nothing to provoke this, he was just trying to **** with my friends. He stood there laughing as she was on the ground in pain from the fall, and I chased after him. He ran himself into a corner, and he turned and tried to run past me, but I grabbed him by the throat and held him against the wall. At the top of my lungs, I screamed "Do something like that again and I'll ****ing kill you!". Then I let him go, and he ran. I got a mere one-day suspension, he got two. I got lucky. No administrator actually saw it happen, and when he reported the incident, the few witnesses that were called in to give their version of the story all took my side, saying I was defending another student.
That happened in the school cafeteria, during a lunch period. In front of who knows how many students. That pretty much put an end to any and all bullying for the rest of my time in high school.
The bigger problem is that schools aren't doing enough to crack down on this stuff. You know why bullying doesn't get reported? Because it results in worse bullying. My awful 7th grade experience only worsened when brought to the attention of the administration, because they would never actually punish the offenders, they'd just threaten to punish. Admonish them. They'd never actually do anything to truly put a stop to it.
I understand why the bigger kid got suspended, he hurt another student and that's never really "okay". But the smaller kid not getting punished is an outrage. They're teaching the bigger kid that defending yourself is bad, an teaching the small little **** that it's okay to bully because there are no consequences (other than a broken bone or two thanks to a sweet power slam).