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kabenac said:
Snell is a very solid defender. I think Chicago would do a Burke for Snell trade straight up.
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This is my thinking as well. With Burks coming back, we don't need two ball heavy scoring guards coming off the bench. Chicago needs a PG after Rose went down. We get flexibility and the ability to turn the 2nd unit over to Burks.

Also, we can slide Hayward to the two and play Snell/Hood at the three.

Snell will be a great shooter in the NBA. He is shooting 55% from three this month.

I'd do Burke and our pick for Snell (as long as our pick is not top 10).

Snell is a solid defender, on a rookie contract, and a very, very good shooter. I'd trade Burke for him in a heartbeat. Chicago needs a PG. We need a shooter. Match made in heaven.
 
green said:
This is my thinking as well. With Burks coming back, we don't need two ball heavy scoring guards coming off the bench. Chicago needs a PG after Rose went down. We get flexibility and the ability to turn the 2nd unit over to Burks.

Also, we can slide Hayward to the two and play Snell/Hood at the three.

Snell will be a great shooter in the NBA. He is shooting 55% from three this month.

I'd do Burke and our pick for Snell (as long as our pick is not top 10).

Snell is a solid defender, on a rookie contract, and a very, very good shooter. I'd trade Burke for him in a heartbeat. Chicago needs a PG. We need a shooter. Match made in heaven.
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I think Burke has shown these last couple of games that he's got much more left to give and improve on. I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
 
I've been thinking we should explore trading some assets to make a bigger splash than just free agency.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think Burke has shown these last couple of games that he's got much more left to give and improve on. I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
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I don't think trading Burke for someone who can shoot lights out and play D is giving up on him. It's using an asset to get a different asset that's a better fit for your team.
 
Rasual butler could probably be had for cheap, is an 11 year vet, and shooting over 40% from three. He is 6 foot 7 and can play both wing positions.

Might be a nice player to shore up the bench. (A good 9th or 10th man)
 
Maybe the jazz can add in some things to make it hard for Chicago to match. Like Charlotte tried to do with Hayward.
 
Don't want Butler for no other reason than the thought of having to hear Bolerjack exclaim "the Butler did it!!!" every ****ing game is torturous to even think about.
 
I like the premise of the idea, and the hope that the Jazz can turn assets into another star player. As I mentioned in a post a long time ago, there's basically 3 stages of team building -

#1.) Reloading - essentially 2012 in a nutshell - vets brought in to fill holes in the hope of maintaining a playoff level team. Didn't go so well, and DL decided to burn it down.

#2.) Asset accumulation - essentially what the past two "tanking years" have been all about. Gain or develop as many quality assets as you can and look to build around them for the future.

#3.) Power building - this is the next step. Cashing in assets for (hopefully) a contending team and a title run. This is essentially what Cleveland, Houston and OKC are trying to do right now.

The Jazz seem to have identified Gobert, Favors, Hayward and Exum as their Core players moving forward. They have some (but not much) cap space and a crap-load of assets to build around those Core4 guys. I think that Gobert's rapid development moved the timetable for power loading up by at least a year, if not two.

I'd love to get Jimmy Butler, but I don't really see that as a legitimate possibility. The cap jump is going to make adding top-level talent difficult for at least the next 3 offseasons IMO. The Jazz have three options to significantly add talent through assets #1.) trade up in the draft. #2.) wait for a star to force a trade, and be ready to make the best offer or #3.) identify a young star BEFORE they break out and overpay for the right to try to develop him.
 
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Here is the biggest question:

Do they "need" a star? Or do they already have 2-3?

I think we already have our stars. I think we have four. I think Exum will be the best of the bunch. I think Hayward is an Allstar as soon as the record improves. I think Gobert will be an all star. Favors wil be borderline.

So, I don't see us as looking for that top flight guy anymore. If we can get one, great!

But, I'm looking for complimentary pieces now. I'm looking for a solid backup Center, like Kosta Koufos. I'm looking for a starting 3&D wing, like Snell, Middleton, Matthews. I'm looking for a veteran backup PG. I like Burks or Burke to man the second unit. If I can flip one for a 3&D player, I'll do it (like Burke to Chicago, who needs a PG, for Snell).

I feel like the Jazz have their core and their coach. Now it's time to bring in players who can compliment and build our bench.

It's time to make the playoffs next year.
 
Why isn't Tobias Harris in consideration?

Or trading for JJ Reddick, or Chris Middleton?
 
I would think that a guy like Butler is going to think that he has proved this year he is a top-notch talent requiring top dollar. I would also think that if he moves on it would be to clear contender, not a team like the Jazz to COULD contend 3 to 4 years down the road.
 
Ellis269 said:
I like the premise of the idea, and the hope that the Jazz can turn assets into another star player. As I mentioned in a post a long time ago, there's basically 3 stages of team building -

#1.) Reloading - essentially 2012 in a nutshell - vets brought in to fill holes in the hope of maintaining a playoff level team. Didn't go so well, and DL decided to burn it down.

#2.) Asset accumulation - essentially what the past two "tanking years" have been all about. Gain or develop as many quality assets as you can and look to build around them for the future.

#3.) Power building - this is the next step. Cashing in assets for (hopefully) a contending team and a title run. This is essentially what Cleveland, Houston and OKC are trying to do right now.

The Jazz seem to have identified Gobert, Favors, Hayward and Exum as their Core players moving forward. They have some (but not much) cap space and a crap-load of assets to build around those Core4 guys. I think that Gobert's rapid development moved the timetable for power loading up by at least a year, if not two.

I'd love to get Jimmy Butler, but I don't really see that as a legitimate possibility. The cap jump is going to make adding top-level talent difficult for at least the next 3 offseasons IMO. The Jazz have three options to significantly add talent through assets #1.) trade up in the draft. #2.) wait for a star to force a trade, and be ready to make the best offer or #3.) identify a young star BEFORE they break out and overpay for the right to try to develop him.
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Good post
 
My Burke for Snell trade makes too much sense. Right now, Chicago needs a PG. They only have Aaron Brooks. At SF, they have McDermott. We need a wing. At PG, we have Burke and Exum.

Burke for Snell. Both teams win.
 
green said:
Here is the biggest question:

Do they "need" a star? Or do they already have 2-3?

I think we already have our stars. I think we have four. I think Exum will be the best of the bunch. I think Hayward is an Allstar as soon as the record improves. I think Gobert will be an all star. Favors wil be borderline.

So, I don't see us as looking for that top flight guy anymore. If we can get one, great!

But, I'm looking for complimentary pieces now. I'm looking for a solid backup Center, like Kosta Koufos. I'm looking for a starting 3&D wing, like Snell, Middleton, Matthews. I'm looking for a veteran backup PG. I like Burks or Burke to man the second unit. If I can flip one for a 3&D player, I'll do it (like Burke to Chicago, who needs a PG, for Snell).

I feel like the Jazz have their core and their coach. Now it's time to bring in players who can compliment and build our bench.

It's time to make the playoffs next year.
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You can NEVER have too many stars or assets. You should always be looking to get the next guy that puts you over the top. I agree wholeheartedly that Exum, Gobert and Hayward all have Star Player potential, and that Favors and Burks are not far off of that clip as well. . . but take that group and add any of Antetokounmpo, Harden, Butler, Leonard, Lillard, Thompson or Teague and this is a playoff team right now.

Ideally, the Jazz could flip assets to land D'Angelo Russell. If they burn draft picks to land the best player possible, they still retain the cap flexibility to buy a bench, and Russell is a guy who looks like he could have All Star potential down the road. The 76ers are draft pick whores right now, so there may be an opportunity there.

Start off with Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Exum. Keep Booker, Burke, Hood, Jingles and Millsap. Bring over Tomic and Neto. Sign one or two mid-level free agents. And then add D'Angelo Russell to the mix. I really like the potential for that team down the road.
 
green said:
My Burke for Snell trade makes too much sense. Right now, Chicago needs a PG. They only have Aaron Brooks. At SF, they have McDermott. We need a wing. At PG, we have Burke and Exum.

Burke for Snell. Both teams win.
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Don't you think he is too similar to Hood though? (you've said he is a 3 and D guy). I think Burke has much more potential the way he's been playing. I know DL highly values our players and won't let them go easily (see extension for Burks as an example). He really believes in the players we've brought up. There were rumours the Jazz could have traded Burke at the trade deadline but DL felt that young PG in this league takes time to develop so he decided against it - and lo and behold he had been playing very well after the All Stars break.


I'm not saying your trade is a bad idea, I'm just saying knowing DL's track record, the recent decision not to give up on Burke, and the fact that we still have Hood who hasn't even been given a chance to play (DL also mentioned he'll be with us for a LONG time), all these indicates that this trade is pretty unlikely at this stage.
 
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