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BYU @ Florida State Game Thread

NCJazz said:
Florida State alum here. Completely missed the game. Not sure if they were not showing it here or what. Obviously the Noles played quite well in this one. Nice to have a real coach again.
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It wasn't really Florida State playing quite well; it was BYU's complete lack of fundamentals that lost them the game. Florida State was impressive though.
 
And Salty, Pitt has not looked like a good team so far this season. The difference between Pitt versus Florida State and Air Force is that their quarterback is actually a threat to win them the game. When Utah played Pitt, they tried to make the QB beat them and they won because of that. Its a lot harder to defend a team with a good, experienced quarterback who can make a lot of plays.

And I'd love to know what Utah's defense has shown to make them one of the best in the country still. Didn't TCU score 54 on them last year? BYU scored 26? Oregon scored 35? That isn't exactly elite. Those are really good offenses, but they were all shut down at a point last year by what you would call an "elite" defense.
 
Thriller, when I read your posts I find myself torn. If more BYU fans had your IQ, I'd enjoy interacting with them much more than I do now. However, if I found myself happily interacting with BYU fans, what kind of rivalry is that?!

Either way, you're making some good points. Good luck selling them to the rest of your fellow Cougar fans in here. That would be like convincing Salty that Utah won't win the Pac 10 every year (easy Salty, I'm just teasin).
 
David Stern said:
And Salty, Pitt has not looked like a good team so far this season. The difference between Pitt versus Florida State and Air Force is that their quarterback is actually a threat to win them the game. When Utah played Pitt, they tried to make the QB beat them and they won because of that. Its a lot harder to defend a team with a good, experienced quarterback who can make a lot of plays.

And I'd love to know what Utah's defense has shown to make them one of the best in the country still. Didn't TCU score 54 on them last year? BYU scored 26? Oregon scored 35? That isn't exactly elite. Those are really good offenses, but they were all shut down at a point last year by what you would call an "elite" defense.
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Boy talk about a delusional BYU homer, lol.

First off, exactly where has Pitt looked "bad" this season? Where the heck are you getting that from? They have played 2 games so far: the one against Utah, and the next week when they put up 38 points and 445 yards in a blowout win. Where are you getting that they have looked bad?

Incidentally, Pitt's QB threw for 275 yards with a 71% completion rate the week after the Utah game. And Baldwin, their NFL first rounder at receiver, had 100 yards receiving.

They can absolutely make passing plays when they want (again, they have an NFL first rounder at receiver). And I have no doubt in my mind that their big (6' 5" and 230 pounds) NFL caliber receiver would have absolutely destroyed BYU's crappy secondary, and their NFL caliber running back would have ran all over BYU like everyone else has. You have to be a totally delusional BYU homer if you think BYU matches up as well with them as Utah did. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest BYU could have even held their own against those guys, let alone actually beat them.

Pitt is in the top 30 in both polls, after 3 weeks. If they looked as bad as you claim, surely at least one of the polls would have given up on them by now.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I agree that there are 3 MWC teams that could win the Big East, and 1 WAC team that could. Heck, I think it's possible 2 WAC teams could win it (Nevada). I just don't think BYU is one of those teams that could win it, but I think Utah is.
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I agree.

I wasn't suggesting that the 3 were BYU, Utah, and TCU. I was actually suggesting AF. I think the AF Academy is "for real" this year. They aren't going to bust the BCS (although wouldn't that be a shocker!) but they're a legit team this year. Utah and TCU better not sleep on those guys. They can create turnovers and then control the clock with their highly effective running game. The other thing that makes them a horrible matchup for the Utes, they don't commit mistakes. Utah is committing too many mistakes right now. Gotta clean that up since a good team will surely take advantage of Utah's stupidity.

And Nevada reminds me of BYU in the WAC. Their offense is fun and quite effective. Defense... Meh... But their offense is good enough that I think they could spin Big East powers like Pitt around. It would be fun to watch those Pitt defenders pass out after trying to cover the spread formations that Nevada runs so effectively. It's on defense where Nevada would struggle...
 
SaltyDawg said:
Boy talk about a delusional BYU homer, lol.

First off, exactly where has Pitt looked "bad" this season? Where the heck are you getting that from? They have played 2 games so far: the one against Utah, and the next week when they put up 38 points and 445 yards in a blowout win. Where are you getting that they have looked bad?

Incidentally, Pitt's QB threw for 275 yards with a 71% completion rate the week after the Utah game. And Baldwin, their NFL first rounder at receiver, had 100 yards receiving.

They can absolutely make passing plays when they want (again, they have an NFL first rounder at receiver). And I have no doubt in my mind that their big (6' 5" and 230 pounds) NFL caliber receiver would have absolutely destroyed BYU's crappy secondary, and their NFL caliber running back would have ran all over BYU like everyone else has. You have to be a totally delusional BYU homer if you think BYU matches up as well with them as Utah did. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest BYU could have even held their own against those guys, let alone actually beat them.

Pitt is in the top 30 in both polls, after 3 weeks. If they looked as bad as you claim, surely at least one of the polls would have given up on them by now.
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Not sure how saying Pitt doesn't look very good makes me a BYU homer. But whatever. I thought Pitt looked bad against Utah, and owning a D-2 school doesn't really mean much man. So based off two games, I don't think they're a very good team. But its a young season and I could be wrong, although I bet they get blasted by Miami this week. Either way, its completely irrelevent for me to say BYU could beat them, because nobody really knows how good BYU is right now. The Ute fans say we suck, while we say we've shown glipses of greatness and will only get better. Either way, its too bad for you guys that you don't get to play us now, instead of later on in the season when the players will have gotten better.
 
David Stern said:
Not sure how saying Pitt doesn't look very good makes me a BYU homer. But whatever. I thought Pitt looked bad against Utah, and owning a D-2 school doesn't really mean much man. So based off two games, I don't think they're a very good team. But its a young season and I could be wrong, although I bet they get blasted by Miami this week. Either way, its completely irrelevent for me to say BYU could beat them, because nobody really knows how good BYU is right now. The Ute fans say we suck, while we say we've shown glipses of greatness and will only get better. Either way, its too bad for you guys that you don't get to play us now, instead of later on in the season when the players will have gotten better.
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Hey the Utes have a young team too and will have gotten better later in the season. I don't think there are too many Ute fans worried about the BYU game this year, lol.
 
David Stern said:
Not sure how saying Pitt doesn't look very good makes me a BYU homer. But whatever. I thought Pitt looked bad against Utah, and owning a D-2 school doesn't really mean much man. So based off two games, I don't think they're a very good team. But its a young season and I could be wrong, although I bet they get blasted by Miami this week. Either way, its completely irrelevent for me to say BYU could beat them, because nobody really knows how good BYU is right now. The Ute fans say we suck, while we say we've shown glipses of greatness and will only get better. Either way, its too bad for you guys that you don't get to play us now, instead of later on in the season when the players will have gotten better.
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New Hampshire is a Division 1 FCS school and is generally pretty good in a loaded conference.
 
SaltyDawg said:
1: TCU is in the midst of a 175 million dollar stadium renovation/expansion. They have been playing in one of the oldest and crappiest stadiums in the nation. That is about to change, in a major way. If you think they are spending 175 million on a stadium renovation, and they aren't planning on filling it up, then you're crazy. Also, they travel extremely well within the Big 12 footprint. They may not travel well to Vegas, but Oklahoma's current 8th largest home crowd in their history was when they played TCU a couple years ago.
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Considering that the stadium seating capacity is 44358 (according to TCU's official athletics website) and last year they averaged 38187 (rounded up to the next whole person), I'd say they don't get good attendance. That's leaving over 6000 empty seats EVERY GAME. In a year in which they went to a BCS game no less. While reading these stats, keep in mind that they are slightly elevated because they had 50307 for the Utah game. Subtract that game and you get a whopping 35762 average. Other than the Utah game, they only broke 40000 once, the last game of the season, with a BCS berth on the line.
I'll say it again. They don't get the attendance.
 
catratcho said:
Considering that the stadium seating capacity is 44358 (according to TCU's official athletics website) and last year they averaged 38187 (rounded up to the next whole person), I'd say they don't get good attendance. That's leaving over 6000 empty seats EVERY GAME. In a year in which they went to a BCS game no less. While reading these stats, keep in mind that they are slightly elevated because they had 50307 for the Utah game. Subtract that game and you get a whopping 35762 average. Other than the Utah game, they only broke 40000 once, the last game of the season, with a BCS berth on the line.
I'll say it again. They don't get the attendance.
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So you mean when they play Wyoming, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, and other teams of that caliber, they don't sell 50,000 tickets? But when Utah comes to town they do?

So then maybe, just maybe, the people paying 175 million to expand and renovate the stadium know something you don't. Like, maybe, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, etc, will be the games in the future.

I can totally understand why fans in Dallas wouldn't get excited when some crappy team from 1000 miles away comes to town. It's not like they have any real history playing them, and none of their own fans are making the road trip. At least TCU has some history with the crappy Big 12 teams and it's close enough for fans to make a road trip.

175 million is a lot to spend on a college stadium renovation for any team. And it is a whole lot more if you don't expect to sell tickets.
 
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