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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

seattlejazzfan

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Where have all the JF BYU fans gone? Have I missed the discussion? Perhaps it's off the first page?

Does it become official this weekend or next? Seems the Utah game would be a nice time to make an announcement, but then the Texas game might be poor timing either. Or is Oklahoma going to throw a wrench into this whole thing by making good on their threats to bolt, causing BYU to want to remain Indy?
 
I am firmly in the camp of, "WHO F'ING CARES?". I'm serious. How many Utah fans do you know that were, "OMFG, these super conferences with automatic bids are SO GAY! LOL!!1 We would've won the NC instead of that uber 3rd place trophy if not for those STUPID CONFERENCES!!! They are ruining college football!" two years ago, only to be the smug, obnoxious, pro-Pac12/super conference bitches that they are now? Let me help you, the answer is "All of them.". I really do hate Utah fans. H8!

I would rather stay Indy, and that's a fact.
 
I'm okay with staying Independent, as long as the schedule improves from Idaho, San Jose State, Idaho State every year. Getting automatic access to BCS money will be nice once we're in the Big 12 though.
 
I am firmly in the camp of, "WHO F'ING CARES?". I'm serious. How many Utah fans do you know that were, "OMFG, these super conferences with automatic bids are SO GAY! LOL!!1 We would've won the NC instead of that uber 3rd place trophy if not for those STUPID CONFERENCES!!! They are ruining college football!" two years ago, only to be the smug, obnoxious, pro-Pac12/super conference bitches that they are now? Let me help you, the answer is "All of them.". I really do hate Utah fans. H8!

I would rather stay Indy, and that's a fact.


For the record, I still think the BCS is a fraud and hope for an actual playoff someday. However, am I not supposed to be happy that the team I root for now has tie-ins to the Rose and Holiday Bowl's as opposed to the what used to be their 1st and 2nd options? Am I supposed to act like it's not exciting that the regular season is now filled with the likes of USC, Arizona State and Oregon as opposed to Wyoming, New Mexico and UNLV? You hate Utah and their fans, I get it, but your argument may be the most idiotic thing I've heard you say.

Go ahead and stay indy and watch your team linger if football purgatory because year in and year out their October/November schedules are littered with Idaho, San Jose State, and all the other WAC drivel. You remind me of the guy who wasn't one of the first to get asked to the big school dance and now you're going to refuse to go because your feelings are hurt.
 
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I am firmly in the camp of, "WHO F'ING CARES?". I'm serious. How many Utah fans do you know that were, "OMFG, these super conferences with automatic bids are SO GAY! LOL!!1 We would've won the NC instead of that uber 3rd place trophy if not for those STUPID CONFERENCES!!! They are ruining college football!" two years ago, only to be the smug, obnoxious, pro-Pac12/super conference bitches that they are now? Let me help you, the answer is "All of them.". I really do hate Utah fans. H8!

Pro Pac12 for a couple reasons:

A) No more stupid MWC conference with it's horrible teams and horrible TV coverage.
B) PAC12 means you get to play the other top talent in the Western US every week.
C) More $ means better facilities, players, competition etc.

I am not a fan of the PAC12 expanding past 12. I think 16 team conferences would suck. Keep em at 12 max.

I think BYU has a pretty sweet deal as an Indy. If they joined the Big12 they had better get a can't say no offer.
 
For the record, I still think the BCS is a fraud and hope for an actual playoff someday. However, am I not supposed to be happy that the team I root for now has tie-ins to the Rose and Holiday Bowl's as opposed to the what used to be their 1st and 2nd options? Am I supposed to act like it's not exciting that the regular season is now filled with the likes of USC, Arizona State and Oregon as opposed to Wyoming, New Mexico and UNLV? You hate Utah and their fans, I get it, but your argument may be the most idiotic thing I've heard you say.

Go ahead and stay indy and watch your team linger if football purgatory because year in and year out their October/November schedules are littered with Idaho, San Jose State, and all the other WAC drivel. You remind me of the guy who wasn't one of the first to get asked to the big school dance and now you're going to refuse to go because your feelings are hurt.

Ok, I understand the financial decisions and also the HUGE benefit of having a automatic bowl game for a conference.

But Ute homers need to get off this "BYU's schedule is weak" gig. From an entertainment standpoint, many on your schedule are complete snoozers.

The Pac-12 is crap.

Colorado is just as bad as anyone else on BYU's schedule. Could they even beat Snow College? Could they even compete with Utah's best HS football teams Timpview, Alta, Highland, Logan, Bingham?

A few times now, little brother has mentioned how BYU plays Idaho St. and San Jose St. Folks, I'd much rather play these schools than Colorado. At least Idaho St. might complete a pass or get a first down.

Cal sucks.

USC is average at best. If they were wearing anything but the red and gold, they'd be considered a team like Fresno St.

Washington has been horrible for years.
Wash St? Do they even have a program?
Both Arizona schools are meh.

UCLA is horrible. Aside from that great catch from their TE, they're worthless.

So yay! Playing teams like Arizona and Colorado sure is "sexier" than playing teams like San Jose St. Sound cooler. Probably will be mentioned on College Gameday too!

But for fans who just want to see a good game against good competition, stop acting like the PAC-12 is really "that" much better.

This USC game has the potential to be a complete snoozer ending 14-10.

Now watch me eat it as it becomes a shootout...

I'm really not trying to be a jerk here, but just try and keep things real. Being in the PAC-12 and having the chance to play in the Rose Bowl IS better than BYU's indy. Especially when you consider the other sports.

But as far as scheduling goes? I think Utes are greatly overrating the Pac-12 (easily the worst conference in BCS football right now). Maybe the adrenaline surge of being in a conference that matters finally will keep you folks excited for half your schedule. But give it a year or two, and you'll find that half the games you play are complete snoozers and other than a few opponents like USC, your schedule isn't much better than BYU's. Playing the Arizona schools and Colorado, the Washington schools, Oregon St., and every Cali school not named USC or Stanford is going to be just as boring as any game against San Jose St. or Idaho.

The conference of Champions really is a conference of 1 or 2 teams that actually matter. Of course, these teams are nationally well known (Oregon and USC). The rest are your typical WAC/MWC teams, just with bigger "names."
 
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The difference between the PAC's cellar dwellers and the MWC's is that the PAC's can still beat you. They have the talent to put together an unexpected good game every once in awhile. I never felt that way about the MWC's bottom tier.

Exactly.

The WAC and MWC put out some really good teams in the last couple of years, but if you weren't one of those teams, you were pure ****ing trash. That's what makes a BCS conference different. Their best are almost always better, and their worst are ALWAYS better than a non-BCS school's worst.
 
Exactly.

The WAC and MWC put out some really good teams in the last couple of years, but if you weren't one of those teams, you were pure ****ing trash. That's what makes a BCS conference different. Their best are almost always better, and their worst are ALWAYS better than a non-BCS school's worst.

colorado, Wash St, UCLA, are better than Wyoming, UNLV, and New Mexico?

Maybe... Just a little... But all of these teams are boring, sucky, and just plain turrible.
 
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But Ute homers need to get off this "BYU's schedule is weak" gig. From an entertainment standpoint, many on your schedule are complete snoozers.

I actually give props to Holmoe. He seems to be off to a really good start getting BYU some quality future opponents. The problem is, almost all of those quality games are going to have to be played early in the season. In theory, BYU could play as strong a schedule as anybody in the nation, but that's not how it's going to be viewed from a national standpoint because in October and November when Top 25 teams are positioning themselves for BCS runs and BYU is going into the must crucial time of the season basically playing a WAC schedule.

Maybe that's not fair to BYU, but that's certainly how it's going to go down. Another negative with it is that if BYU is ever going to make a BCS run, they're going to have to do it with an extremely front-heavy schedule. If you're 5 toughest games are the first 5 you play, that's going to make it nearly impossible for BYU to make it through a season undefeated.

Tom Holmoe isn't an idiot. The very second the Big 12 asks BYU to join, he'll say yes. Anybody touting that independence is better or that BYU may actually turn down the invitation are kidding themselves. Joining the Big 12 has probably been BYU's best-case-scenario since leaving the MWC. The ONLY way I see it falling apart is if BYU does not get promises that Oklahoma and Texas are committed to teh Big12 long term.
 
The difference between the PAC's cellar dwellers and the MWC's is that the PAC's can still beat you. They have the talent to put together an unexpected good game every once in awhile. I never felt that way about the MWC's bottom tier.
You forget the fact that Oregon State just lost to Sacramento State? Yep, the bottom of PAC is clearly better than the bottom of non-BCS.
 
For the record, I still think the BCS is a fraud and hope for an actual playoff someday. However, am I not supposed to be happy that the team I root for now has tie-ins to the Rose and Holiday Bowl's as opposed to the what used to be their 1st and 2nd options? Am I supposed to act like it's not exciting that the regular season is now filled with the likes of USC, Arizona State and Oregon as opposed to Wyoming, New Mexico and UNLV? You hate Utah and their fans, I get it, but your argument may be the most idiotic thing I've heard you say.

Go ahead and stay indy and watch your team linger if football purgatory because year in and year out their October/November schedules are littered with Idaho, San Jose State, and all the other WAC drivel. You remind me of the guy who wasn't one of the first to get asked to the big school dance and now you're going to refuse to go because your feelings are hurt.

Way to avoid the question. Of course you're happy that you got all of these new shiny things. That doesn't change the fact that two years ago you, and every other Utah fan, was crying your eyes out about the BCS and how it has ruined the universe. And FWIW, I never got asked to dances. Ever. Also, I think that you should know by now that I don't have any feelings.
 
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I actually give props to Holmoe. He seems to be off to a really good start getting BYU some quality future opponents. The problem is, almost all of those quality games are going to have to be played early in the season. In theory, BYU could play as strong a schedule as anybody in the nation, but that's not how it's going to be viewed from a national standpoint because in October and November when Top 25 teams are positioning themselves for BCS runs and BYU is going into the must crucial time of the season basically playing a WAC schedule.

Maybe that's not fair to BYU, but that's certainly how it's going to go down. Another negative with it is that if BYU is ever going to make a BCS run, they're going to have to do it with an extremely front-heavy schedule. If you're 5 toughest games are the first 5 you play, that's going to make it nearly impossible for BYU to make it through a season undefeated.

Tom Holmoe isn't an idiot. The very second the Big 12 asks BYU to join, he'll say yes. Anybody touting that independence is better or that BYU may actually turn down the invitation are kidding themselves. Joining the Big 12 has probably been BYU's best-case-scenario since leaving the MWC. The ONLY way I see it falling apart is if BYU does not get promises that Oklahoma and Texas are committed to teh Big12 long term.

Give BYU the benefit of the doubt here. This is the first year of independence. Yeah their home schedule is pretty bad this year, but is it really that much worse than last year in MWC? Their road schedule is pretty solid. With their tie ins with ESPN and the BYU network they will do better in the coming years.... if they stay independent.
 
colorado, Wash St, UCLA, are better than Wyoming, UNLV, and New Mexico?

Maybe... Just a little... But all of these teams are boring, sucky, and just plain turrible.

Wash st. just beat UNLV by 50 some odd points. So yes.

The bottom of the Pac12 is far superior to the bottom of the MWC.
 
I should know the answer to this question since Utah was just voted in last year, but when expanding, does the Pac12 vote have to be unanimous? While I'm sure Oklahoma is more than welcome to apply, I think they'd have a hard time getting in. It's been reported that Colorado agreed to come to the Pac 12 under assurances that they would be placed in a division with the SoCal schools. I'd have to assume that Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona St would all vote against any more additions and would try their damndest to rally support from other schools in the conference.
 
I should know the answer to this question since Utah was just voted in last year, but when expanding, does the Pac12 vote have to be unanimous? While I'm sure Oklahoma is more than welcome to apply, I think they'd have a hard time getting in. It's been reported that Colorado agreed to come to the Pac 12 under assurances that they would be placed in a division with the SoCal schools. I'd have to assume that Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona St would all vote against any more additions and would try their damndest to rally support from other schools in the conference.

Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, State = HUGE $$$. That is plenty of incentive for those schools. Unless there's a fear the 16 will shrink back down to 12 with Utah and Colorado the first to go.
 
Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, State = HUGE $$$. That is plenty of incentive for those schools. Unless there's a fear the 16 will shrink back down to 12 with Utah and Colorado the first to go.

Once those schools join, does the Pac 12 get to rip up the TV deals they've just signed with ESPN and Fox and start over? If so, obviously adding them makes sense. If not, it doesn't really make much sense to share 12 pieces of the pie with 16 teams. Plus, I don't think Texas is gonna go even if Oklahoma does. Texas is not going to budge on the Longhorn network and wants to be the biggest fish in the pond. Those are things that can't happen if they're in the Pac 16.
 
You forget the fact that Oregon State just lost to Sacramento State? Yep, the bottom of PAC is clearly better than the bottom of non-BCS.

This is way too specific a context to support such a general statement.

Way to avoid the question. Of course you're happy that you got all of these new shiny things. That doesn't change the fact that two years ago you, and every other Utah fan, was crying your eyes out about the BCS and how it has ruined the universe. And FWIW, I never got asked to dances. Ever. Also, I think that you should know by now that I don't have any feelings.

I'm a Ute fan too, and there are a lot of us who didn't like the BCS then, and still don't. Yeah, it's nice to not have to stand on the outside looking in, but we still recognize that the system is crap - a way for the rich to get richer. I'd be satisfied if they dissolved the BCS today, and implemented a playoff.

I think your opinions of Utah fans have little basis in actuality, and are largely a product of prejudices you've manufactured in your own head. You want to believe that Utah fans are the scum of the earth, so you do. I understand this goes both ways. It happens on both sides.

You need to let go of your anger. The Dark Side is ready to pounce.
 
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