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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

Oh man, it sounds like the Big East rumors are indeed real. And even worse, football only too. The positive is that with AQ the road to the BCS doesn't look too hard, certainly easier than other AQ conferences. But I'm not sure this was what I envisioned ending the Independence experiment. That whole laugh/cry dichotomy cliche applies here right now.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Oh man, it sounds like the Big East rumors are indeed real. And even worse, football only too. The positive is that with AQ the road to the BCS doesn't look too hard, certainly easier than other AQ conferences. But I'm not sure this was what I envisioned ending the Independence experiment. That whole laugh/cry dichotomy cliche applies here right now.
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Link?
 
More info: https://www.deseretnews.com/article...t-but-have-not-accepted-invitation-2-yet.html

BYU has been invited to join the Big East as a football-only member, but, for now, BYU has not accepted the invitation, according to a Washington, D.C. columnist.
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BYU "has a conference that desperately wants them for all of the right reasons and have given them every indication that they will acquiesce to their expectations," Williams told the Deseret News. "But is that enough to get them to get their football program to leave independent status? I don't think anybody knows at this point in time.

"At the end of the day, the Big East has done everything to accommodate whatever it is that BYU wanted," Williams added. "But it's really going to be up to the (BYU's) Board of Trustees as to whether or not that's what they want. No matter how well you charm them, or how well you give them whatever they want, it really comes down to whether or not the Board of Trustees feels this is in the best long-term interest of the university. My understanding is that BYU is willing to accept an invitation. It was told to me that if it were up to (athletic director Tom Holmoe ) and (President Cecil O. Samuelson ), they would be in. But it's not. It really is up to whether the Board of Trustees give them the okay."
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I thought the quotes in blue were the most interesting. I guess we'll find out soon what the Board of Trustees have to say.
 
BYU is nuts if they pass this up. Absolutely out of their minds. Easy road to AQ, keep their network, and Sunday play doesn't even have to be addressed?

What is there to even weigh here besides travel (particularly if this BSU/AF/Houston/etc division doesn't happen)?
 
NUMBERICA said:
BYU is nuts if they pass this up. Absolutely out of their minds. Easy road to AQ, keep their network, and Sunday play doesn't even have to be addressed?

What is there to even weigh here besides travel (particularly if this BSU/AF/Houston/etc division doesn't happen)?
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This, this, and this.

If the Big East is meeting all of BYU's requests, why is there even a decision to be made? Does the board of trustees seriously want to consider staying independent so their football team can continue to have November's with 2 bye weeks while playing the likes of Idaho and NMSU?
 
I would feel better if Holmoe had a "Screw that" option.

You know, like if you sent your mission papers into SLC and they told you you're going to be headed to a mission of exile in Siberia, you could say, "Screw that!" and not go. BYU sends in a football prospectus, gets an answer, and has to live with it. Such is life.
 
TroutBum said:
Again, this sucks. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Duck.
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The good news is, we don't agree. What I was saying was that I wish they would just go along with what the paper is saying Holmoe wants, which is the Big East deal. I think it sucks comparatively to not being in the Big 12, but I still say take the deal all things considered, though I retroactively reserve the right to bitch and moan when we find out exactly what is included in the deal. I'm 99% certain they had a Big 12 offer already though, as I've talked to people outside of the Internet realm that would know and they have said as much, so they either rejected it or took too firm of a stance on their counter offers. That's where my disappointment lies.
 
Bronco70 said:
In terms of status, maybe, but BYU is an instant favorite in the Big East. A significantly easier road to a BCS game.
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Yes, but don't tell any of the Ute fans my secret.
I would rather have a tougher schedule, and play better teams at home, than have a cake season.
That's just me. I would appreciate it if you didn't mention this in the Ute thread, it could ruin my rep.
 
jazzman12 said:
An instant favorite considering that they'll have to beat Boise in any given year if they want to win their side of the conference?
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This. But as things look right now, whoever wins that game would probably win the conference championship game.
 
This is why I said AN instant favorite, and not THE instant favorite. TCU just beat Boise, they are not invincible.
 
catratcho said:
This. But as things look right now, whoever wins that game would probably win the conference championship game.
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BYU's recent history shows that they're a very average football team when they face teams that are .500 or better. While I do think that the Big East would be a great move for BYU, what have they done in the last 12-13 years that qualifies them to be one of the instant favorites in the new Big East?
 
jazzman12 said:
BYU's recent history shows that they're a very average football team when they face teams that are .500 or better. While I do think that the Big East would be a great move for BYU, what have they done in the last 12-13 years that qualifies them to be one of the instant favorites in the new Big East?
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I'm just going with Bronco's coaching tenure.

Year Record AP Coach BCS
2006 11-2 16 15 20
2007 11-2 14 14 17
2008 10-3 25 21 16
2009 11-2 12 12 14

Big East
2006 Louis 12-1
2007 WV 11-2
2008 Cin 11-3
2009 Cin 12-1
2010 WV 9-4

In looking things over I don't think BYU will be a favorite per se, but I do see them in the top with a shot every year.
While leaving teams like WV, Pitt, and Syracuse have done well... so have other teams that are staying like Cincinnati, Connecticut, USF, Louisville, and Rutgers. Throwing Boise State in there will make it more interesting, but I also don't necessarily think BYU will be favored to win it every year or every other year. If they can pull it off every third or fourth year I think that will be a sign of success.... if this thing even happens.

/my 2 cents
 
JazzSpazz said:
I'm just going with Bronco's coaching tenure.

Year Record AP Coach BCS
2006 11-2 16 15 20
2007 11-2 14 14 17
2008 10-3 25 21 16
2009 11-2 12 12 14

Big East
2006 Louis 12-1
2007 WV 11-2
2008 Cin 11-3
2009 Cin 12-1
2010 WV 9-4

In looking things over I don't think BYU will be a favorite per se, but I do see them in the top with a shot every year.
While leaving teams like WV, Pitt, and Syracuse have done well... so have other teams that are staying like Cincinnati, Connecticut, USF, Louisville, and Rutgers. Throwing Boise State in there will make it more interesting, but I also don't necessarily think BYU will be favored to win it every year or every other year. If they can pull it off every third or fourth year I think that will be a sign of success.... if this thing even happens.

/my 2 cents
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It's hard to compare BYU's records with that of the Big East champions during the same span but I think your expectations for BYU in the new Big East are reasonable.
 
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