Caitlyn Jenner

[Stoked]

I was going to rep this. I owe you one.

I don't go around picking fights with gays or anyone, except in JF forum where I think ideas might be worked out a bit. I have, I think, some renters who are very good renters. Having a lifestyle that sorta makes it hard to find a place to rent sometimes results in a bonus to those who will rent to them. What they do after the rent is paid isn't particularly concerning unless it's cleanliness and care for the property. Guys with gay sorts of sensitivities sometimes are a lot better housekeepers, and they can take care of some little issues with the property better than most women can.

As a general rule, outside of a discussion where the topic is out in the open and begging for attention, I don't go up to anybody just to make some bigass point of what I think they oughtta do or not do.

Now this is much more the Babe I expected. So you agree that there are somethings that don't need to be said even though you can say them.

Guess it all comes down to where people think that line should be.

 

[babe]

I agree that you don't intend to hurt someone but I think you don't care if you do. And like anything, when that is taken to an extreme, as it seems to be here, then it can become a bad thing.

Yes you have the right to freedom of speech. But just because you/I want to say something doesn't mean you/I necesarrily should.

So my question would be where on that scale of what should be said would you say enough is enough? What crosses the line of common decency?

I'd say I am somewhere between you and Dala.

The line I'm trying to defend is not dickiness or rudeness, but the general principle of equal protection under the law. Imposing a moral or legal obligation under either social constraints, legal constraints, or in general under any ideal you think is just or right, rubs out another persons rights in some degree. We should all respect others' rights as much as our own.

 

[JimLes]

I really don't care to hurt people, and I would if I were aware of the feelings of another, make some effort to deflect that result.

Well, then act that way. Simple as that. What the hell is wrong with asking that we, as a society and as individuals, be kinder and more understanding of one another? To not say things like "I wanna call him a moron who couldn't live with his manhood." Or, heaven forbid, to not think that. To not think less of and dehumanize people based on what they say or do or feel?

The swaggering crusader for special "rights" for any class of people is forgetting the part about equal protection under the law.

Equal protection is bullsh*t. Those who need more protection ought to get more protection.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm curious as to why Dalamon skipped my post (unless I missed his response) and why DWD responded the way he did.

 

[Stoked]

Well, then act that way. Simple as that. What the hell is wrong with asking that we, as a society and as individuals, be kinder and more understanding of one another? To not say things like "I wanna call him a moron who couldn't live with his manhood." Or, heaven forbid, to not think that. To not think less of and dehumanize people based on what they say or do or feel?



Equal protection is bullsh*t. Those who need more protection ought to get more protection.

Absolutely not! Not group, under and classification you can name, should be given any protections denied to others. None. If a protection is needed then it should be given to all.

I 100% disagree with the bolded.

 

[Archie Moses]

Did anyone else read Matt Walsh's blog today? Love him or hate him, the comments on his Facebook page are only second to Sportcenter's.

https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/calling-bruce-jenner-a-woman-is-an-insult-to-women/

From his FB page:
I mean every word of what I'm about to say: that Vanity Fair picture of Bruce Jenner dressed like a woman is a monstrosity.
And before you lecture me for using that word, read what I have to say. Keep in mind, the picture isn't real. It's part digital, part makeup, part silicone, part camera trick, and part cosmetic surgery. It's not an authentic image of anything or anyone. It's a fiction, and the fiction is horrifying.
We're told this is Bruce's "new self," but he can't have a new self. He has only one self, and the self he has is a he, no matter how much plastic surgery he gets or how many trashy lingerie outfits he parades around, but our society seems to have lost sight of this fact.
Indeed, everyone is treating a disturbing Photoshopped picture of a mentally disordered grandfather dressed up as a college girl like it's mankind's greatest achievement since spaceflight. Once again, there is a virtually unanimous public agreement that "transgender" people like Bruce Jenner are heroes and saints and and messiahs, and should be worshiped.
The truth is, I get so sickened and infuriated by this kind of madness that I'd prefer, for my own mental health, to ignore it and write about something else. But there is a war for reality happening right now, and from what I can tell, conservatives have almost entirely abandoned the battlefield. They don't want to touch this issue. They claim it isn't important, but really they're just terrified of the backlash.
There are many different points that need to be made, and I try to cover them all here. One that I particularly concentrate on is the fact that it is, without a doubt, incredibly insulting and demeaning to women to call this mockery of femininity "female." Being a woman is about more than having a pointy chin and wearing a corset. If I were a woman (which I'm not and never could be), I would be especially angry at the notion that a wealthy celebrity man can essentially buy his way into my sex.
That's one part of this equation, but there's plenty more to be said. Read and, if you can take the heat, share:

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Parents, be aware: soon the magazine rack in the checkout line at the supermarket will feature this profoundly disturbing image of Bruce Jenner. The picture is plastered right on the cover of the next Vanity Fair issue, and it shows Bruce dolled up in makeup and hair extensions, posing in a corset, with parts of his face, forehead, and throat shaved off for cosmetic reasons, and his chest enhanced by hormone pills, Photoshop, and silicone. The idea is to make the 65-year-old grandfather look like a college girl, but the effect is that he looks like a distorted version of neither.

What he most closely resembles is a mentally disordered man who is being manipulated by disingenuous liberals and self-obsessed gay activists. Far from having the appearance of a genuine woman, he reminds me of someone who is being abandoned to his delusions by a culture of narcissistic imbeciles. I feel a great deal of compassion when I gaze upon this tragic sight — especially because post-op “transgenders” very often regret their decision, and in many cases attempt suicide — but few share my love or concern for him.

He’s just happy that, through extensive plastic surgery, high doses of synthetic chemicals, pounds of makeup, and a liberal use of Photoshop, he can finally be himself. By dismantling, dismembering, mutilating, and editing himself, he is himself, he says.

*grabs Cheetos*

 

[Siro]

Did anyone else read Matt Walsh's blog today? Love him or hate him, the comments on his Facebook page are only second to Sportcenter's.

https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/calling-bruce-jenner-a-woman-is-an-insult-to-women/



*grabs Cheetos*

So his argument boils down to "THIS MAKES ME ANGRY!".

 

[JimLes]

Absolutely not! Not group, under and classification you can name, should be given any protections denied to others. None. If a protection is needed then it should be given to all.

I 100% disagree with the bolded.

So, the fact that my lower-middle class neighbourhood has more cops assigned to it and patrolling it than my parents' wealthy, upper and upper-middle class neighbourhood is bad, then? We should have equal number of cops assigned to patrol both? Whether that means reducing the numbers in mine or increasing the numbers in my parents'?

 

[Archie Moses]

So his argument boils down to "THIS MAKES ME ANGRY!".

That pretty much sums him up. He's a grade-A quality *******, but he makes me laugh more often than not. Even Kicky thinks that guy is condescending.

 

[framer]

You can choose to immerse yourselves in other cultures completely-- I don't think there's a problem with that at all. The problem stems from when people culturally appropriate, which is a completely different thing from adopting/immersing yourself within a foreign culture.



People tryin to make themselves look more beautiful on photograph?! OMGOSH ur right, how unauthentic /lol



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You understand that there all already people that come from several different backgrounds both racial and cultural and they already "culturally appropriate." It is a damn healthy thing. You SHOULD take from your culture the things you like and add things from other cultures that you like. It used to be called "The Melting Pot" and it was a good ideal to strive for. It is, however, utterly useless for social justice warfare, which is why adherents to that philosophy do their best to keep people segregated into their racial and cultural castes. There are plenty of white people who have lived the traditional "black experience" more than a lot of people who others would identify as "black." The fact that you deny them the ability to label their culture, but insist that others have the ability to re-label their sex speaks volumes. It is the same type of religious dogma that you rail on others for.

And yes, if you want to "celebrate" Jenner's choice, do it warts and all. Otherwise it isn't that heroic. Don't put something on the Magazine that isn't Jenner and tell us how wonderful it is. It is like putting a brave "plus size model" on the cover of your magazine and photoshopping three dress sizes off of her. What a victory for "healthy sized women!" If you aren't ready to give the image in truth, you aren't ready to put it on your cover and pat yourself on the back.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Matt Walsh always gets a good reaction from people. Says some pretty dumb things on occasion.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I clearly answered that in my last post.

I don't think you did.

I believe you purport that Jenner isn't entitled to be called a woman. To be consistent, you'd have to say the same about yourself. What makes you a man?

If you think you answered the question, then I read your answer is "I have a penis, therefore I'm a man."

Have you never said to someone or yourself, "Man up," or, "Be a man." If you have, that would be equivalent to quite literally, "Have a penis," under your definition above. If the answer is actually, "You have a penis, act like it," it loses your biological definition. Acting like a male, female, whatever, means different things the world over and across time. Thus, it's culturally defined and if that individual fits the role the culture would deem as woman, that's what that individual turns out being.