Caitlyn Jenner

[Deleted member 848]

Transphobia is not the only reason.

One reason could simply be ignorance. Another could be disagreement with the lifestyle. Neither one of those are automatically bigotry. They are not always mutually inclusive.

But as for the principle of calling a person what they want to be called I agree. Why not?

Let Caitlyn be happy, we all deserve that.

Which is honestly what makes most total sense. It's quite telling of an individual where if you refuse to calling a person what they prefer to be called by. Ignorance of course is ignorance-- but I'd bet a 'refusal in lifestyle', or an outright refusal to call them how they want to be called is very very very often rooted in hatred/fear.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Every system has anomalies. If 0.0000000001% (or .001% or .1% or 1%) of a population has a certain trait does that automatically define the rest of the population?

No-- but does that mean that it doesn't matter if we mishandle 3+ million people in a country of 300 million? Does it just become 'collateral' if the percentage figure is 1%?

But I call ******** on the whole societal construct gender-fluidity thesis that is every bit as much a construct as gender is claimed to be.

Something being constructed does not delegitimize it. It simply introduces the inherent biases that are associated with it, along with the underlying proposition that constructions are subjective, fluid, and ever-changing.

Call it what it is, a choice. They choose to be a different gender. Done. Over. Choices are just fine.

I think you might realize why the wording of this line could be problematic.

But to strive so hard for some kind of scientific or academic legitimacy is a lot like all the crap people go through to avoid the impact of their choices. Just ball up...or ovary up I guess, and make the choice and live your life. I have read interviews with Jenner and he says more or less the same, that this is his choice and he accepts what comes along with it in our society. I agree that people who make such choices should not be punished for those decisions, but not because of some gawd-awful attempt at a legitimizing theory of trans-genderness that transcends all physical metaphysical gobbledygook!

This entire section of our post came across as anti-academic 'gobbledygook'. Much of the trans-acceptance movement has been largely fortified and bolstered by academic and scientific justifications behind gender fluidity.

 

[Stoked]

Which is honestly what makes most total sense. It's quite telling of an individual where if you refuse to calling a person what they prefer to be called by. Ignorance of course is ignorance-- but I'd bet a 'refusal in lifestyle', or an outright refusal to call them how they want to be called is very very very often rooted in hatred/fear.

That's were we disagree. I'd say its much closer to 50/50. Simply based on what that person thinks is right or wrong.

I disagree with this rising notion that resistence or refusal to accept an idea or lifestyle is based out of fear all the time.

Also some people are just jerks and would do it simply to insult. Now those I'd say are more based on fear.

 

[RandyForRubio]

"Black" is a comparative skin melanin content, so if you want to do that, you'd have to socialize with groups of individuals with much lighter skin than you and don't know or have seen anybody with significantly darker skin. Then you'd have to identify with being a woman. I'd say the former is a bit unreasonable.

It's a phenotype, much like balls and a vagina. So if we have to identify with similar skin color, why don't we identify by our other phenotypes (balls, vagina)?

 

[babe]

Transphobia is not the only reason.

One reason could simply be ignorance. Another could be disagreement with the lifestyle. Neither one of those are automatically bigotry. They are not always mutually inclusive.

But as for the principle of calling a person what they want to be called I agree. Why not?

Let Caitlyn be happy, we all deserve that.

I think this should be true for ignoramuses, haters, phobics of all kinds, communists, and me. I'm just not gonna be happy having to give Jenner a sick little smile and pretending I'm down with his femininity. I wanna call him a moron who couldn't live with his manhood. I just won't be happy with all this fancy footwook about what we can or cannot say.

When I grew up, the taunt was frequently made, when someone said something you didn't like or called you dumbass names. . ..

"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." Yeah some people are just too silly to have real self-respect that can stand for being what they are, but if you want real social justice, we all need free speech. I draw the line at physical injury, except I don't quibble if it's a fair fight, either.

But then, Jenner really just doesn't matter to me. I'm not gonna go outta my way to tell him anything. A lot of people do stuff I don't have a lot of interest in.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think this should be true for ignoramuses, haters, phobics of all kinds, communists, and me. I'm just not gonna be happy having to give Jenner a sick little smile and pretending I'm down with his femininity. I wanna call him a moron who couldn't live with his manhood. I just won't be happy with all this fancy footwook about what we can or cannot say.

Everybody wants to do certain things, and lots of necessary things don't make us happy. Welcome to real life.

When I grew up, the taunt was frequently made, when someone said something you didn't like or called you dumbass names. . ..

"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." Yeah some people are just too silly to have real self-respect that can stand for being what they are, but if you want real social justice, we all need free speech. I draw the line at physical injury, except I don't quibble if it's a fair fight, either.

But why intentionally hurt someone with your words when you know it's hurting them?

 

[8]

Isn't it odd how some people have a penis and they're like, "Nah, that shouldn't be there."

#100RAPclub

 

[babe]

Isn't it odd how some people have a penis and they're like, "Nah, that shouldn't be there."

#100RAPclub

I find it's pretty useful in a lot of ways. I'm even happy to make use of it sometimes. I'm even happy I can pee in the woods a fair shot from my shoes.

 

[NAOS]

Every time I see a post from this thread in the activity feed, I can see it's going about as poorly as I would have forecast. The special bonus was that it brought it's creator, Beanclown, out of hiding for this special occasion.

Very sad when people can't open their minds to the fluidity of gender. If not, then it's impossible to then also open their minds to the fact that the process by which a body is gendered is nearly autonomous from the process by which that body is sexed. Life is complicated, guys. When it produces unusual combinations, that's a sign of life's health.

 

[JimLes]

But why intentionally hurt someone with your words when you know it's hurting them?

I assume you're looking for an answer other than "because you're a dick."

 

[Deleted member 848]

Every time I see a post from this thread in the activity feed, I can see it's going about as poorly as I would have forecast. The special bonus was that it brought it's creator, Beanclown, out of hiding for this special occasion.

Very sad when people can't open their minds to the fluidity of gender. If not, then it's impossible to then also open their minds to the fact that the process by which a body is gendered is nearly autonomous from the process by which that body is sexed. Life is complicated, guys. When it produces unusual combinations, that's a sign of life's health.

PLS set aside this academic gobbledygook we live in the reel world NAOS pls.


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[babe]

Everybody wants to do certain things, and lots of necessary things don't make us happy. Welcome to real life.



But why intentionally hurt someone with your words when you know it's hurting them?

It's sometimes a choice whether to care what I say. And whether to feel "hurt" somehow by what someone else does. I come down on people having the right to choose. If someone wants to feel hurt by words, I'm just not going to let that hurt me, or affect my pretended opinions or speech.

A few years ago, a deer hunter came up to my truck and jammed a deer rifle between my eyes, and told me he didn't think we were on my land. I said it didn't matter what he thought. I told the story to the local sheriff, for a laugh, and he got all agitated saying that the hunter had committed assault and could be charged. I said forget it, nothing happened. Some folks wouldn't hire that man because they think his pot smoking has messed up his mind too much, but the last time I spoke to him it was pretty civil and respectful all the way around.