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Can the C.J. Miles experiment please end?

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Ben10 said:
Again look at the break down Locke posted. Gordan didn't loose track of his man as much as he left him to help someone else. Help defense gets you in trouble some times. I'm not saying that Hayward was right but looking at the play "Just lost his man" isn't true
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Locke's analysis of this play leaves a lot to be desired. Greg is right. Hayward was effectively doubling Dirk on that play before Dirk even got the ball. His job was to stay home on Marion but be ready to double Dirk if Kidd made the pass (even then, he has to be sure somebody is ready to come out at Marion otherwise you live with Sap one on one with Dirk). Hayward got caught anticipating, and then lost Marion. In the grand scheme I could care less. Those things have to happen so Hayward can develop. But I'd be shocked if during the film session they said Hayward was right to overcommit to Dirk before a pass was made because somebody else was supposed to get Marion.
 
Miles is playing well at home after a bad start. I still miss Howard though.

I think we really need Howard when we go back on the road. That is where we'll need him the most.
 
Ben10 said:
Again look at the break down Locke posted. Gordan didn't loose track of his man as much as he left him to help someone else. Help defense gets you in trouble some times. I'm not saying that Hayward was right but looking at the play "Just lost his man" isn't true
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I don't need to see somebody else's breakdown. I saw the play. If just lost his man isn't true. Then left his man under the basket on purpose is much worse. I can live with it. But to say Hayward was not a problem at the end of this game (as log indicated) is just not true. He made a couple of critical mistakes that led to this loss. Playing good in the 3rd and and being in during the run are much less important that making mistakes in crunch time. I hope he learns from them and gets better.

As for Miles tonight. I was glad to see Corbin pull him after he shot that 2nd 3 in a row. The 1st one was desperation at the end of the shot clock. The 2nd one was a definite chuck. I really like the way Corbin is handling Miles. He is getting him to attack the basket instead of just throwing up the 1st shot that comes his way. If he starts to chuck he pulls him.
 
billyshelby said:
When Miles shot "fast", early in the clock, he drew fouls on drives. Miles didn't shoot "fast" at any other time on the night except maybe one 3 in the early 2nd. Nearly every shot he took in the second half, and several in the first, were with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock.
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There was one 3 near the end (4-6 minutes left in the game. right after the 30' shot that went in) that he shot way too early and missed. Miles was pulled within a couple of possessions after this shot. I liked that he was pulled. It was a contested shot with plenty of time on the clock. Other than that one his shots seemed to be within the offense or attacking.
 
gregbroncs said:
There was one 3 near the end (4-6 minutes left in the game. right after the 30' shot that went in) that he shot way too early and missed. Miles was pulled within a couple of possessions after this shot. I liked that he was pulled. It was a contested shot with plenty of time on the clock. Other than that one his shots seemed to be within the offense or attacking.
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Miles last 5 shots in the game were with less than 4 seconds on the clock. The only slight variation is that a few times he got handed the ball with like 6 seconds. He was trying to find lanes, but his job in those situations is to take the best shot he can to beat the clock. The reason Ty pulled CJ was Ridnour was heating up and he wanted Bell on him.
 
So how many years it is going to take Miles to surpass or catch up with Rip Hamilton 's peak? I's say give him another 2 years. Look how that helped Ronnie Brewer surpass Tayshawn Prince
 
billyshelby said:
When Miles shot "fast", early in the clock, he drew fouls on drives. Miles didn't shoot "fast" at any other time on the night except maybe one 3 in the early 2nd. Nearly every shot he took in the second half, and several in the first, were with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock.
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Let's be honest. The clown has a quick trigger. Last night 13 shots in 21 minutes. Compare that to 16 shots in 36 minutes by Jefferson, our go to guy inside. He was 2 for 7 from downtown, about average for him. He had only 2 assists because he seldom looks to pass. But the big problem I see is his defense. Clowns cannot move side to side fast enough. END THIS EXPERIMENT PLEASE.
 
The greatest problem with CJ is his Kobe mentality at the 3 line. If he can get some good screens or drive to the basket he is very valuable. Like I said, only Kobe can take those ridiculous 3 point shots.
 
mountain said:
Let's be honest. The clown has a quick trigger. Last night 13 shots in 21 minutes. Compare that to 16 shots in 36 minutes by Jefferson, our go to guy inside. He was 2 for 7 from downtown, about average for him. He had only 2 assists because he seldom looks to pass. But the big problem I see is his defense. Clowns cannot move side to side fast enough. END THIS EXPERIMENT PLEASE.
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He is the go-to guy when the shot clock is running down and the offense has failed. That accounts for a lot of his shots.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
He is the go-to guy when the shot clock is running down and the offense has failed. That accounts for a lot of his shots.
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So was Hornacek. Let's compare 3 pt percentages?

CJ - 33%
Horny - 40%

Throw Stockton in there too at a career clip of .384 after 3 horrendous years to start his career. His career high was .462 for a season. He took tons of shots late in the shot clock if plays broke down. And he was career .515 from the field. CJ? .424 Pretty crappy for a slasher who can supposedly finish at the rim. Iguodala, another slasher with a fair to poor 3 pt shot averages .462 from the field, so at least he can knock shots down and finish to make up for crappy 3 pt shooting.

Career numbers. CJ never had a season over 39%. Horny had 10 out of 16 seasons over 39%, with a career high season average of .478.

The late in the shot clock shooting excuse has run its course. Lots of perceived top 3 pt shooters take shots late in the shot clock, rushed and with a hand in their face. The difference is most of them are good shooters. CJ simply is not.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So was Hornacek. Let's compare 3 pt percentages?

CJ - 33%
Horny - 40%

Throw Stockton in there too at a career clip of .384 after 3 horrendous years to start his career. His career high was .462 for a season. He took tons of shots late in the shot clock if plays broke down. And he was career .515 from the field. CJ? .424 Pretty crappy for a slasher who can supposedly finish at the rim. Iguodala, another slasher with a fair to poor 3 pt shot averages .462 from the field, so at least he can knock shots down and finish to make up for crappy 3 pt shooting.

Career numbers. CJ never had a season over 39%. Horny had 10 out of 16 seasons over 39%, with a career high season average of .478.

The late in the shot clock shooting excuse has run its course. Lots of perceived top 3 pt shooters take shots late in the shot clock, rushed and with a hand in their face. The difference is most of them are good shooters. CJ simply is not.
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Why are you comparing CJ to Stockton and Horny?
 
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