Can the Trumpster fire come back from this?

[Red]

You're making incoherent statements here about how "it didn't require reading anything" and later "spending hours studying the man and his followers". I could claim to have just known everything outright and brag about immersing myself in material that just vindicates my initial prejudices, except that's not true of me or a lot of other people.

The one(recognizing what he was the day he descended the escalator at Trump Tower), and studying the man up the yin yang are not mutually exclusive. FYI, this is history, and I have been completely engrossed in observing Trump and Trumpism. I meant every word of what I said. I would not have sat this out for anything. When I have found opinions and articles that help explain the man, or point out the things I know are true of the man, I have often posted those articles. And for the benefit of the choir, for those who think as I do regarding the man. The recognition on my part was there from the start. So what? Why is that a problem for you? The recognition you have of the man sounds like an alternate reality to me. That's your problem. I find your description of what he represents to be flat out delusional. And, that too I recognized from the start. I'm not claiming any special powers, just stating the truth as it applies to myself.

 

[Red]

[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]

So I just came across the news of your heart attack..

Pretty sure you don't need to worry about my arguments for a while. Get yourself on a steady path and manage the stress. Listen to the docs and go easy on the beef. I do beef cattle but I swear every time I eat a steak I can feel the grease inside my arteries. . . .course some can handle it no doubt, but at least for me I should do sunflower seeds and fish. Not canned fished, good fish fresh caught.

LOL. Don't worry about me. The only times this history I'm witnessing may have played a significant role in any health problems was far too many actually heated arguments that weren't necessary. And that doesn't happen here on Jazzfanz. Those were always live and in living color. Here, you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. At any rate, thanks for your advise, I appreciate it. I feel fine. Thank you, babe.

 

[Red]

[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION],

If there is anything in my background, in terms of education, that helped me understand Trump in a clearer fashion, that is something I am grateful for. Not boasting of. Grateful for. I do not consider any education I have as somehow conveying superiority, in any way, shape, or form. I'm grateful if my education helps me understand something better then I would otherwise. But I don't rest on any laurels. The fact is I have as much background in working class livelihoods as any associated with so-called ivory towers. If I have ever come across as thinking myself superior in any sense, it was certainly not by design. My father taught me to always be humble. I am not perfect, who is, but any effort I have made to illuminate Trump, either in my own words, or by linking to the words of others, has been out of an effort to educate others. I don't think as highly of myself as you seem to think I do. I have no reason to feel that way.

Lots of people, untold numbers of people, recognized what Trump was very early on. I am hardly unique at all in that respect. Do I truly understand why, in my eyes, so many people seem clueless as to what Trump represents? No, it's difficult. I understand why so many are alienated from what they perceive America has become in their eyes. I have sympathy for those folks, even as I loath the far right extremists who see one of their own in Trump, and who see the opportunity to bring their hatred, intolerance, and bigotry into our political life. I do not perceive Hillary Clinton as a saint at all. But to keep a man of Trump's despicable character out of the Oval Office, I must hope she wins.

 

[babe]

yah, pretty much some kind of internal set point whether you or I think someone who a lot of folks idolize is a demagogue. One person I know named a cute pup "Hillary" because it's so wonderful to have a Clinton and woman in the race.

I take most "liberals' with their strong opinions on all the right stuff everyone should think as products of Sesame Street and PBS, a lifetime of state-supported propaganda. I take "conservatives" as the lonely fools on the hill who see how stupid all that is.

Pretty much I've been around the world and have accepted the facts of different people having different views. Having some drunk attack on a dark street calling me an imperialist and learning to just keep walking, or a cowboy stuff a deer rifle up my nose to show how tuff he is has taught me to understand the difference between Trump and a bigot. Trump doesn't have any consistent opinion of others, he works the situation for what it's worth. He will have a party with Jesse Jackson just as same as with Hillary and Bill. It's all about the deal.

I think you live in a world of hobgoblins and ignorant hate for people you don't know, applying theoretical notions to anyone who is characterized by "liberal" media as "right-wing". Trump keeps score with deals that work, and calls those that don't work bad deals. He makes little effort to conform to political correctness in his private affairs, but he is not as skilled at keeping his private affairs off the radar as the Clintons have been. He does not rape women, or effectively destroy women who threaten his political interest. He is just not as complicated as Hillary, nor as cunning. Trump might pat a nice butt or leer at a particularly pretty woman, but he has no drive for non-consensual sex. Sure some women have rejected his advances, but the consistent fact is that if his wealth and personal appeal is rejected, he walks away.... unlike Bill Clinton or Hillary who use policemen and enablers to supply access to interesting sexual encounters, and use threats and force in the "play", and they use force to shut down the publicity somehow. This means, in my estimation, that Trump has been a sensual man with a swagger for the ladies, but not someone fixated on conquest. So even the sexual charges have, in my eyes, informed me of a difference in character.

Most people who seek political office have some sort of big ego, some might term it psychopathy or sociopathy. I consider Trump's case to be much less severe than Hillary's or Bill's. Bill and Hillary should be in prison serving time for sexual abuse of their victims if not for their criminal vilations of national security laws or conversions of public influence to personal assets. Trump needs to find Jesus and recognize his carnal sin.

People who support Hillary have a lot of facts to ignore, and the media moguls who've jumped in the sack with Hillary's Presidency are not going to enquire about facts. I think HIllary is the most dangerous politician America has ever had, and letting her get into that office is a threat against the character of America, national security, and human liberty. I think even Bill Clinton is afraid of her, and powerless to influence her. When he was President he was afraid of her. That's why the perv looks for little boys to rape, and women to rape.

 

[Boris]

Mr. Trump has the greatest pre voting number on record! I am tell you he has so so many supporters who do not dare to come out and say they are voting for him. Take Utah for example they said three way tie. He has already won Utah!

 

[babe]

[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION],

If there is anything in my background, in terms of education, that helped me understand Trump in a clearer fashion, that is something I am grateful for. Not boasting of. Grateful for. I do not consider any education I have as somehow conveying superiority, in any way, shape, or form. I'm grateful if my education helps me understand something better then I would otherwise. But I don't rest on any laurels. The fact is I have as much background in working class livelihoods as any associated with so-called ivory towers. If I have ever come across as thinking myself superior in any sense, it was certainly not by design. My father taught me to always be humble. I am not perfect, who is, but any effort I have made to illuminate Trump, either in my own words, or by linking to the words of others, has been out of an effort to educate others. I don't think as highly of myself as you seem to think I do. I have no reason to feel that way.

Lots of people, untold numbers of people, recognized what Trump was very early on. I am hardly unique at all in that respect. Do I truly understand why, in my eyes, so many people seem clueless as to what Trump represents? No, it's difficult. I understand why so many are alienated from what they perceive America has become in their eyes. I have sympathy for those folks, even as I loath the far right extremists who see one of their own in Trump, and who see the opportunity to bring their hatred, intolerance, and bigotry into our political life. I do not perceive Hillary Clinton as a saint at all. But to keep a man of Trump's despicable character out of the Oval Office, I must hope she wins.

I have virtually no facts about you, just interpretations based on a few comments. You seem to have a consistent interest in history, and I see you using a bad data base for orienting yourself politically. Other than that, and including the impression that you are among the lemmings marching off the cliff with Hillary, I have no reason to believe anything bad about you. yah I thought you might be involved in some internet effort to promote progressive issues, but that could be innocent credulity..... or maybe even informed serious education..... depending on my prejudices, I guess.

 

[babe]

Mr. Trump has the greatest pre voting number on record! I am tell you he has so so many supporters who do not dare to come out and say they are voting for him. Take Utah for example they said three way tie. He has already won Utah!

Boris, you are in a little liberal hive. You need to least give off a friendly buzz.

I could see some folks hurrying to get their vote in because either Hillary or Trump has a huge negative cloud of slanderous bile hanging on them, but I don't think Utah Mormons are voting much for Trump. Mitt Romney has put a word on the street for McMullin, has induced some media to give McMullin a good press. Doug Wright and some other locals have given McMullin free time on air to show his colors as a moderate and decent fellow. My sense of Utah is Trump 38, Hillary 37, and McMullin 18 with three others getting the 7.

 

[Jonah]

Arguing over Trump and Clinton is quickly getting past the point of electoral relevance. Poll aggregators now put Clinton at anywhere from a 85 to a 99 percent win probability. Princeton Election Consortium, the most accurate aggregator over the last two presidential elections, has had Clinton vacillating between a 98 and 99 percent win probability for the past week. They’ve essentially called the election and are now focusing on down ballot races.

Those grim numbers (for Trump supporters) don’t even take into account early voting. About ten percent of the electorate has already cast their ballots and about a million more early vote every day. Early voting in battleground states, with the possible exceptions of Iowa and Ohio, has been very favorable to Clinton. Normally Republicans are more likely to vote early. Not this year. The news is especially bad for Trump in Florida where Latino voting is way up. Without Florida Trump has virtually no path to the necessary 270 electoral votes.

The question of the thread is can Trump come back from this: "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the *****. You can do anything.” The answer is that he was losing before in what would likely have been a close election, but the audio of that quote was his death knell, and the question now is if he will be landslided and drag Republican control of the Senate down with him.