Can We Please Just Waive NWG?

[KqWIN]

In the eyes of the anti-NWG crowd, what kind of season does NWG have to have this year to quell the criticisms of holding onto him?

If we find ourselves in a situation (injury ect) where we need a PG, he gets minutes. That would be a great starting point. Right now, the only checkpoint he's crossed is not being sent home from the bubble for a coach.

 

[NAOS]

In the eyes of the anti-NWG crowd, what kind of season does NWG have to have this year to quell the criticisms of holding onto him?

He has an uphill battle to remain on the team beyond his guarantee date. He better shoot the ****ing lights out.... (in practice)

 

[homeytennis]

If we find ourselves in a situation (injury ect) where we need a PG, he gets minutes. That would be a great starting point. Right now, the only checkpoint he's crossed is not being sent home from the bubble for a coach.

He would need to put up NBA numbers to his GLeague numbers and team win the NBA title.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I said that if he's unsigned, there's something we don't know. The thing we don't know is that Shaq could have offers that he's mulling. Maybe even from the Jazz. This is not the first time I've said this. Again, repeating myself. Again, making a point to say that I'm repeating myself so you stop saying I'm doing the exact opposite. Two things could be true. He's either super available and everyone is passing on him, or he's not and he's actually mulling offers or is demanding a lot. Given how great Shaq looks on paper, my guess is that it's probably not so simple to sign him and he's seeking something specific. If it is so simple to sign him, there's some intel we're missing because all 30 teams are deciding against it. Doesn't mean all 30 teams are right, but it's something worth considering.

To me, a good argument and conversation considers the whole picture fairly. If you think MJ is better than LeBron, it's ok to say the LeBron was a better passer and three point shooter. To me it shows weakness if you try to spin it and say that MJ was actually a better passer or 3 point shooter or try to ignore that altogether. So for me, I can believe that Shaq would be a very good signing while also acknowledging that there's probably some context I'm missing. Better yet, I can believe that he's a good signing while also acknowledging that he's had a tough time finding a spot in this league, and typically that means you're just not good enough. That's not missing context that's actually plain and obvious. If you consider all data points, even those that don't directly support your conclusion, I consider that a stronger conclusion than only considering the points that support your conclusion.

Okay but the thread isn’t about Shaq... I have no interest in guessing the reasons he isn’t signed... I have no interest in debating that it ain’t a Jazz specific item... that’s why I whatevs’ you on that.

This. Is. Not. About. Shaq.

This is about there being much better options than NWG. The side argument and conversation isn’t pertinent imo sorry if that offends you. I didn’t mean to imply you are a DL fanboy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In the eyes of the anti-NWG crowd, what kind of season does NWG have to have this year to quell the criticisms of holding onto him?

It isn’t just about him but in a vacuum he has to be better than Neto.

All in though it’s tied to what is available still and what we need. It’s about Miye being ready... I think he is but I find it curious that a couple months ago he couldn’t get a few seconds on Jamal Murray when we were searching for answers and now he’s our best perimeter defender. Maybe it’s a coaching issue and not a front office thing.

So even if he gets on the floor and provides better than Neto production... if we are still deficient on the wing because of injury or because Miye, Hughes, Forrest aren’t ready then it still can reasonably be viewed as bad use of a spot.

I will commit to if he is better than Neto then his spot was at least justified.

 

[infection]

Is NWG better than RHJ?

I think the idea here is that we’re saying NWG is adequate for a 14th man, and feel he’s favorable when compared against 14th men. But then the replacements were rationalizing aren’t good because maybe they don’t look awesome stacked up against 6th and 7th men.

 

[Friend2bees]

Just an FYI I like Wood last year when he was released ( I know he had maturity issues) and I liked Harrison when the Suns let him go. I thought the Lakers got a steal on Caruso and that he was worth a gamble.

GMs that sign Wes Matthews types when they are vets are making solid moves and are good GMs... the real money is in finding the next Wes Mathews doe. Shaq will get a chance somewhere... I’m not the only person on the bandwagon... plenty of media guys including front office types have also rated him highly.

NBA GMs just prefer name brands... its why Jerami Grant gets 3/60M when teams should be looking for the next Jerami Grant and spending in a more prudent manner.

This... he's been through the league a few times already and has studied some of the guys and has a few reps. Forrest may be his clone but getting the actual guy saves some time. Its very unlikely that rookies contribute this season as they won't have summer league or the extra time to get in shape... nevermind the condensed training camp and pre-season.

So a good move is getting a solid veteran, but the real money is finding the next version of a guy. But also we should sign Shaq Harrison because it saves time even though we might already have the next Shaq Harrison on a 2 way contract?

 

[infection]

So a good move is getting a solid veteran, but the real money is finding the next version of a guy. But also we should sign Shaq Harrison because it saves time even though we might already have the next Shaq Harrison on a 2 way contract?

NWG is the next Blake Ahearn.

 

[kabenac]

Jazz Front Office - If you squint NWG kind of looks like D-Will... and that's good enough for us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So a good move is getting a solid veteran, but the real money is finding the next version of a guy. But also we should sign Shaq Harrison because it saves time even though we might already have the next Shaq Harrison on a 2 way contract?

Yes because Shaq is currently a free agent and might be available for a minimum deal. Kinda like why develop a Neto (NWG) when the current already developed Neto is available.

Also getting a vet is great if the cost is the same as a minimum prospect. It’s a value thing. If they cost the same (or basically the same) then by all means take the current version of that player.

Also we have seen exactly zero seconds of Trent Forrest it’s wild that people are hanging their hat on him because Cy says he’s the better more talented version of Shaq and their college numbers are similar.

But yeah... ya nailed me.

 

[infection]

Yes because Shaq is currently a free agent and might be available for a minimum deal. Kinda like why develop a Neto (NWG) when the current already developed Neto is available.

Also getting a vet is great if the cost is the same as a minimum prospect. It’s a value thing. If they cost the same (or basically the same) then by all means take the current version of that player.

Also we have seen exactly zero seconds of Trent Forrest it’s wild that people are hanging their hat on him because Cy says he’s the better more talented version of Shaq and their college numbers are similar.

But yeah... ya nailed me.

You can buy a rotisserie chicken at Costco for $3. Or you can spend $3.50 on an egg you can incubate.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You can buy a rotisserie chicken at Costco for $3. Or you can spend $3.50 on an egg you can incubate.

It’s not hard to understand.

Now if eggs are $1 and rotisserie chickens are $100 then by all means incubate... incubate hard.