Can we talk about how Quin is ride-or-die for Bogdanovic?
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I would add that since Bogey got here, Joe has been the better player but is seen in much lower priority. It's not that he's a bad player, but I do agree that Quin rates Bogey too highly. It's one of the reasons why I was tilted towards trading him this off season. I think the majority of people around the league see Bogey the way Quin does, and I think that's an over evaluation.
Between Bogey/Ingles/Clarkson/Gay/O'Neale it should be an open ended decision to see who closes. But 9/10 times it's O'Neale-Bogdanovic. When it comes to a defense only possession, Bogey shouldn't be out there. Maybe Gobert wouldn't have to defend three shots and rebound the ball himself if Gay was out there instead.
If Gay keeps up his 3 point volume with ~40% accuracy (which would be an incredible feat tbf), I think he should close more than Bogey. Gay becoming a real alternative to Bogey was the best case scenario for his signing and it's happening. The last roadblock is Quin.
Between Bogey/Ingles/Clarkson/Gay/O'Neale it should be an open ended decision to see who closes. But 9/10 times it's O'Neale-Bogdanovic. When it comes to a defense only possession, Bogey shouldn't be out there. Maybe Gobert wouldn't have to defend three shots and rebound the ball himself if Gay was out there instead.
If Gay keeps up his 3 point volume with ~40% accuracy (which would be an incredible feat tbf), I think he should close more than Bogey. Gay becoming a real alternative to Bogey was the best case scenario for his signing and it's happening. The last roadblock is Quin.
I agree with this. I'd like to see the Jazz close a game with Conley, Mitchell, Royce, Gay and Gobert. There's plenty of scoring on the floor with that lineup. Gay gives the Jazz more size defensively, he's a much better rebounder than Bogdanovic, and so far he's been at least as good at getting and making looks from 3pt range.
The other thing to consider is that Gay has the ability to put the ball down and create a shot for himself if defenses are keying in on our guards. He can go down the lane and make a play near the rim, or he can shoot over the top of the defense. The Jazz are going to need that in the playoffs.
Looking at some lineup data, I'd also be intrigued to see a lineup with Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Gay, Gobert. That might actually be our best one.
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There was a final play of a game last year where Quin had Bojan inbound the ball. It was a turnover and we lost. I don’t think this is a Bojan thing, or even Quin having a ride-or-die with Bojan, inasmuch as I think Quin perseverates and gets hung up on one or two particular nuances and let’s every other operation go to default. This was the reason I made a thread on the largest off-season acquisition being Quin adding a mentor of his to the coaching staff; someone to slow him down at particular junctions and say “hey, look at what’s right in front of us.”
And this is not a knock to any of the guys on the staff, but do we think any of them have a the type of comfort with Quin that they can say, “hey, should we put in Gay?”
I don't want to knock Royce tonight because I thought he had a good game, but this type of matchup is exactly the type of lineup where you might sit Royce. He's matched up with Mobley, but Gay is simply a much better matchup with his size and there's no one else that Royce needed to guard on the court either. Guarding Lauri Markannen is simply being tethered to a shooter and it doesn't really matter if it's Royce, Bogey, or Mitchell guarding him. Same task, you just have to stick onto him.
Maybe you still want Royce out there to have more of the little things, but Gay should have been the obvious first choice. From there you could have gone with Bogey, Joe, O'Neale, or even Clarkson (if he was hot) depending on what Quin felt he needed most. We have tons of options and flexibility but Quin himself is not flexible.
I think Quin is keen on limiting Rudy Gay's minutes and playing him in certain lineups during the regular season.
There aren't any good reasons, I agree Gay should be closing, but here are some ok reasons:
- Gay hasn't been very good defensively yet, particularly his communication with Gobert needs some time. Bogey is probably playing better perimeter defense than Gay right now.
- I think Bogey might be our best free throw shooter right now, maybe Quin was anticipating a quick shot and then a foul.
- It worked, we got the stop, and won the game.
I guess I'm still ok with bringing Gay along slowly, but post All Star break he's going to need to start getting time with the closing lineup if it's going to be ready for the playoffs.
Bogie has been pretty clutch, right?
Florinc Florin
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I don't think Snyder expected it to be the last possession in the game. Even so, Bogdanović probably knows the system better than Gay, which is why the coach has more confidence in him. Also, the biggest problem he has in defense is that he fouls, at the end of the match more contact is allowed.