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LogGrad98 said:
Agreed. I guess the big difference is in real life there are tangible results that make it worth it. I think everyone likes short-cuts. The philosophical question would revolve around personal character and integrity I suppose. Would you stay on a sinking ship just to prove you could survive a ship sinking? Tough to say I guess.
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We're talking about a basketball player, though. What are the tangible results? He won't make more money being on the Warriors. Hell, he'll make less if my basic knowledge of the cap is correct.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I really don't understand this vitriol. Most people would do the exact same thing.
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Really? It is easy to understand even though I don't subscribe to it. It's an emotional response. His success is a direct threat to the success of the Jazz. His superteam is the final hurdle to climb. In that light the response is pretty common and ordinary. Even if the majority of us, myself included, would have done the exact same thing.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I really don't understand this vitriol. Most people would do the exact same thing.
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This league has been around for 70 years. How many times has an MVP joined the guy who dethroned him a year later? While they were all in their primes? How many times has a 5-time All-NBA first player in his prime joined a 70+ win team?

This is David Robinson bolting to the Bulls in 1996. Or even Shaq signing with them instead of the Lakers. Except that they never did, so no, not everyone would. And if you can find me another example from NBA history where this happened, I'd love to see it.
 
JimLes said:
We're talking about a basketball player, though. What are the tangible results? He won't make more money being on the Warriors. Hell, he'll make less if my basic knowledge of the cap is correct.
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Endorsement deals pay way more than their salaries. This kind of move will push his endorsement deals through the roof (California vs Oklahoma? not to mention the press it generated). Prestige. Perceived "honor". The aforementioned extra press.

Rings.

A ring on their finger justifies all kinds of bad character moves, if you want to call it that. Same applies to regular people. Some status symbol (*cough*BMW*cough*) justifies all kinds of douche-iness.
 
JimLes said:
This league has been around for 70 years. How many times has an MVP joined the guy who dethroned him a year later? While they were all in their primes? How many times has a 5-time All-NBA first player in his prime joined a 70+ win team?

This is David Robinson bolting to the Bulls in 1996. Or even Shaq signing with them instead of the Lakers. Except that they never did, so no, not everyone would. And if you can find me another example from NBA history where this happened, I'd love to see it.
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LeBron did it. Built his own super-team. He set the standard.

I guess you could argue that Payton and Malone joining the Lakers was kind of like this, but older players at the end of their careers often end up on other teams, whether ring-chasing or not.
 
LogGrad98 said:
LeBron did it. Built his own super-team. He set the standard.

I guess you could argue that Payton and Malone joining the Lakers was kind of like this, but older players at the end of their careers often end up on other teams, whether ring-chasing or not.
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What 70 win team did lebron join again? Refresh my memory.
Did Miami de-throne lebron Cleveland team the year before he joined miami? I can't remember.
 
LogGrad98 said:
LeBron did it. Built his own super-team. He set the standard.
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Even LeBron joined at 47-win team. And he didn't join Kobe and the Lakers. That's the issue here.

I guess you could argue that Payton and Malone joining the Lakers was kind of like this, but older players at the end of their careers often end up on other teams, whether ring-chasing or not.
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Here are the only other cases in the past 30 years(so modern NBA history because I'm sure you agree that the 60s and 70s with their 8-team league don't count) that two previous MVPs played on the same team.

2003-2004 Shaq and the Mailman. Karl was 40 when the season started.
2002-2003 The Admiral and Duncan. Robinson was 37 when the season started.
1996-2000 Barkley and Hakeem. Both 33 when they joined up.
1987-1989 Kareem and Magic. Kareem was 40 when the first of the two seasons started.
1985-1987 Bird and Walton. Walton was 33 and had more screws in him than a cheap hooker.

This is not normal. This is new and players did not do this in the past. You have to at least acknowledge that.
 
The closest thing to this would be Moses joining the Sixers in 1982. But if you have to go back to a time even Joe Johnson can't remember, then this clearly isn't a normal occurrence.
 
fishonjazz said:
What 70 win team did lebron join again? Refresh my memory.
Did Miami de-throne lebron Cleveland team the year before he joined miami? I can't remember.
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Oh I didn't know it meant it had to be exactly the same in every single detail. I guess everything that happens is always completely unique. Makes tons of sense.
 
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