CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[NAOS]

The part about you opening a door and realizing you don't know as much as you think was a joke. So was the rep comment.

The part about me trying to get you to see it any other way but your own, was not.

And to a degree is another example.

I pride myself in being able to get people to see it a way differently than what they're imagining. I'm very good at this, and is a huge part of my job.

I was unable to get you to see a pile of money as a source of pride, instead of just a pile of money.

So because you can't catch what I'm throwing, it's like my version of a higher tax rate. It hits me in not my pocketbook, but my pride.

Does that make sense to you?

You asked me if a pile of money was something to be proud about. I said No, not inherently. And then I gave you an example of a huge pile of money that nobody should feel pride about.

Does that mean that all piles of money are devoid of prideful feelings? Obviously not.

Then you started asking me about what I was proud about, as if you could show me the equivalence between the pride in money and my pride in other things. That didn't work out well because you failed to come up with an adequate thought experiment.

 

[NAOS]

Frankie poo, when you see an idea that's working, and there are statistics to back it up, does that not cause you to think "hey... maybe that could work"?

Or is your first instinct "no no no, that'll never work. It's not the way I do things, so it can't be right"

^obvi has no idea how franklin thinks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A great point. And it could be a great plan.

But why couldn't we do both?

Because the culture of consumerism is what creates a lot of jobs and continues the treadmill of consumption.

 

[NAOS]

A great point. And it could be a great plan.

But why couldn't we do both?

Why don't we just reorder the way that gendering happens, too. I mean, since we're just breaking things down so easily, moving around their atomic parts, we should fix that, too, right?

How long have you been a motivational speaker?

 

[Harambe]

You asked me if a pile of money was something to be proud about. I said No, not inherently. And then I gave you an example of a huge pile of money that nobody should feel pride about.

Does that mean that all piles of money are devoid of prideful feelings? Obviously not.

Then you started asking me about what I was proud about, as if you could show me the equivalence between the pride in money and my pride in other things. That didn't work out well because you failed to come up with an adequate thought experiment.

But a pile of money can be something to be proud of. It is not something you can exclusively NOT be proud of.

For some people, a pile of money is a way of quantifying their life's work. Their pile of money, to them, is the same as your making room for needy students, or ability to care for your little sister.

Taking some of those things away from you, is the same thing as taking away money from others. It's the same concept. You don't seem to get that.

 

[Harambe]

Why don't we just reorder the way that gendering happens, too. I mean, since we're just breaking things down so easily, moving around their atomic parts, we should fix that, too, right?

How long have you been a motivational speaker?

Did you just compare what a living person was born as to changes in the government that would effect everyone?

True, we can do either at this stage in the game, but if you don't see the difference there you have no respect for an evolving social climate.

 

[NAOS]

But a pile of money can be something to be proud of. It is not something you can exclusively NOT be proud of.

For some people, a pile of money is a way of quantifying their life's work. Their pile of money, to them, is the same as your making room for needy students, or ability to care for your little sister.

Taking some of those things away from you, is the same thing as taking away money from others. It's the same concept. You don't seem to get that.

I understand perfectly well that ^this^ is the facile argument you were trying to put forward. I told you it wouldn't work -- that it was a bad equivalence to draw -- but you don't seem to get that.

I told you there was no way to reduce the things I'm most proud about to any equivalence with money. Money didn't motivate them, and any money that was involved in making them come to pass was not transacted directly on their behalf.

Besides, it doesn't matter if someone believes their pride in their money is equivalent to my pride in these things. When did "belief" get to take center stage? These are differences that cannot be equilibrated, even by a motivational speaker.

I'll go further..... anybody who confuses pride (or MEANING, as you attempted to do earlier) with money is a part of the problem that you seem to be rallying against in this thread.

 

[franklin]

Frankie poo, when you see an idea that's working, and there are statistics to back it up, does that not cause you to think "hey... maybe that could work"?

Or is your first instinct "no no no, that'll never work. It's not the way I do things, so it can't be right"

When you see a claim that an idea is working do you automatically jump on the bandwagon without a second's worth of critical thought or reflection?


You'll notice I never said I'm against funding higher education. In fact I think Obama's free state college tuition is a no brainer. What I disagree with is the patsy assed, soft, pampered and spoiled Americans who cry about it non-stop and act like America is going to fall to pieces tomorrow if we don't throw a trillion dollars at it. College is not that difficult. At all. My friends who didn't go to college spent more money on beer and weed than my tuition, books, & fees combined.

Our system is so simple that any couple who decides to have a two income household can easily clear $150,000-200k/yr combined. And that's in low cost Utah.

 

[Harambe]

I understand perfectly well that ^this^ is the facile argument you were trying to put forward. I told you it wouldn't work -- that it was a bad equivalence to draw -- but you don't seem to get that.

I told you there was no way to reduce the things I'm most proud about to any equivalence with money. Money didn't motivate them, and any money that was involved in making them come to pass was not transacted directly on their behalf.

Besides, it doesn't matter if someone believes their pride in their money is equivalent to my pride in these things. When did "belief" get to take center stage? These are differences that cannot be equilibrated, even by a motivational speaker.

I'll go further..... anybody who confuses pride (or MEANING, as you attempted to do earlier) with money is a part of the problem that you seem to be rallying against in this thread.

And yet you still fail to acknowledge the point I tried to make. A point that even the most daft of my nurses would have grasped.

 

[NAOS]

Did you just compare what a living person was born as to changes in the government that would effect everyone?

True, we can do either at this stage in the game, but if you don't see the difference there you have no respect for an evolving social climate.

nope. striking out big time today, eh?

a person is born with a SEX. It's a cultural process that results in GENDER. And Patriarchy is a part of the central problem addressed in this thread, no?

 

[NAOS]

And yet you still fail to acknowledge the point I tried to make. A point that even the most daft of my nurses would have grasped.

your point is obvious, numbnuts. two brains cells can put it together. It's a stupid point because it's WRONG.

 

[Harambe]

When you see a claim that an idea is working do you automatically jump on the bandwagon without a second's worth of critical thought or reflection?


You'll notice I never said I'm against funding higher education. In fact I think Obama's free state college tuition is a no brainer. What I disagree with is the patsy assed, soft, pampered and spoiled Americans who cry about it non-stop and act like America is going to fall to pieces tomorrow if we don't throw a trillion dollars at it. College is not that difficult. At all. My friends who didn't go to college spent more money on beer and weed than my tuition, books, & fees combined.

Our system is so simple that any couple who decides to have a two income household can easily clear $150,000-200k/yr combined. And that's in low cost Utah.

My most humble apologies if I made it seem that free education was a sword to die on, and that it was going to be the end of the world if we don't implement it. That was not my intent at all.

I've made it to a degree of success I can be proud of within the system. From nothing, to where I'm at now. But that can not, and will not stop me from trying to show that there are other ways of life than ours. Not all of them will be complete crap because it's not an American idea.

But a question for you... why does Naos know you so well? What have you two been doing behind the scenes, you old dog you!? *wink wink*