The Blue Elephant
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Continue believing that America is run by greedy Jewish doctors out to make money while I will stick with scientific data.
Circumcision ?
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Continue believing that America is run by greedy Jewish doctors out to make money while I will stick with scientific data.
The Blue Elephant
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Infection caused by circumcision is also treatable by antiobiotics. I used it as a counter point when he discussing the super rare infections that may occur in circumcision.
MVP
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How about we will start ignoring pro circumcision studies coming from USA and will look at other countries research?
The first European study to examine sexual side-effects from circumcision revealed a surprising number of conditions and ailments associated with the surgery.*
A new study revealed that circumcision was associated with frequent ****** difficulties in men and with a variety of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably ****** difficulties, difficulty with penetration, painful intercourse, and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fullfilment.
*Frisch M, Lindholm M, Grønbæk M. Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: A survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark. Int J Epidemiol, 2011;1–15. Advance Access published June 14, 2011.
The first European study to examine sexual side-effects from circumcision revealed a surprising number of conditions and ailments associated with the surgery.*
A new study revealed that circumcision was associated with frequent ****** difficulties in men and with a variety of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably ****** difficulties, difficulty with penetration, painful intercourse, and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fullfilment.
*Frisch M, Lindholm M, Grønbæk M. Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: A survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark. Int J Epidemiol, 2011;1–15. Advance Access published June 14, 2011.
MVP
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Scientific data which is weak and unproven and probably was funded by big pharmaceutical companies in need of baby foreskins. And all coming from USA
The Blue Elephant
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"Here was Europeans had to say" - scientific evidence according to AKMVP.
I stick with scientific journals you stick to your greedy American Jewish doctor conspiracy theories.
The Blue Elephant
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Wow.... I am done. You really believe that don't you...
MVP
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The Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations (AFAO). The AFAO issued a briefing paper: “Male Circumcision Has No Role in the Australian HIV Epidemic” (July, 2007). The key points were: no demonstrated benefit of circumcision in men who have sex with men; consistent condom use, not circumcision, is the most effective means of reducing female-to male transmission, and vice-versa; and African data on circumcision is context-specific and cannot be extrapolated to the Australian epidemic in any way. The paper compared Australia to America by concluding: “The USA has a growing heterosexual epidemic and very high rates of circumcision. Circumcision does not prevent HIV—in high prevalence areas it reduced the risk of female-to-male transmission. HIV acquisition rates were nevertheless high in both the circumcised and the non-circumcised groups involved in the trials.
The Blue Elephant
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I never stated that circumcision was more effect than condom use for prevention of HIV.
MVP
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I will keep posting non USA articles to Blue elephant who believes that 70% of the world is wrong by not mutilating their baby boys.
Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure
A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.
Kim, D. and Pang, M., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on Sexuality," BJU International 99 (2007): 619-22.
Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity.
Taylor, J. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," BJU 77 (1996): 291–295.
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.
The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant’s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."
Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599–603.
Male Circumcision Affects Female Sexual Enjoyment
A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse with a circumcised penis resulted in female discomfort from increased friction, abrasion, and loss of natural secretions. Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes.
O’Hara, K. and O’Hara, J., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on the Sexual Enjoyment of the Female Partner," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 79–84
Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure
A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.
Kim, D. and Pang, M., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on Sexuality," BJU International 99 (2007): 619-22.
Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity.
Taylor, J. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," BJU 77 (1996): 291–295.
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.
The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant’s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."
Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599–603.
Male Circumcision Affects Female Sexual Enjoyment
A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse with a circumcised penis resulted in female discomfort from increased friction, abrasion, and loss of natural secretions. Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes.
O’Hara, K. and O’Hara, J., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on the Sexual Enjoyment of the Female Partner," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 79–84
♪alt13
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How would the negative side effects of removing my nails differ from my foreskin and furthermore there are a plethora of bacteria and viruses that find a home under the nails(this is one of the rational behind circumcision) Also I bet it would prevent nail cancer.
https://nailcancerawareness.com/
The Blue Elephant
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America has lead the world in science since WW2....
Lol look at how biased this is "anatomically complete penis" when describing uncircumcised.
I would agree with you AKMVP I really would but then both of us would be wrong.
Lol look at how biased this is "anatomically complete penis" when describing uncircumcised.
I would agree with you AKMVP I really would but then both of us would be wrong.
MVP
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Ok since this link has another warning before entering into botched circumcision gallery I hope mods will not kick me out for it. It is medicine we are talking after all!
Still think it will look better?
https://www.circumstitions.com/Botched.html
Still think it will look better?
https://www.circumstitions.com/Botched.html
The Blue Elephant
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Humans have no need for circumcision since humans started walking on two legs and began wearing pants. Nails aren't vestigial, foreskin is. The scientific data cannot be any more clear. You can find a couple contrary articles here and there that are against circumcision but the consensus is clear (you can even find a recent Harvard study that fish oil causes prostate cancer). At the end of the day some people are going to believe what they want to believe. You can keep believing Greedy Jewish doctors are taking foreskin make money while I stick with the scientific facts.
MVP
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lol. Lolololol.
The Blue Elephant
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Lol this reminds me of instead of showing scientific facts, showing poor impoverish children to raise money. You stick with your appeal to emotions (which is a logical fallacy btw), I will stick with my appeal to logic. Obviously fallacies really are convincing to you.
MVP
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There are not facts! Few biased studies with skewed data and weak results. And foreskin is not vestigial you must be completely ignorant and misinformed if you think that way.
MVP
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So botched circumcisions and side effects is not fact?
MVP
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Here you are right. I wish you leave it at that.
The Blue Elephant
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I showed links to stronger scientific data, if you disagree then further debate would be a waste of my time. It would be like me debating with a creationist Christian. I do not have to time or the crayons to explain to you any more.
MVP
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It is not only me, European pediatricians disagree too.
Preventive procedures on healthy people should follow "more and stricter justification" than medically necessary procedures, and even stricter justification should be required for children, "who cannot weigh the evidence themselves and cannot legally consent to the procedure."
- While the AAP says circumcision prevents urinary tract infections (UTIs), the European doctors counter that only one percent of boys will get these in their first years of life, and there are no randomly-controlled clinical trials proving that circumcision prevents them.
- The AAP says circumcision can stave off penile cancer, but the European docs counter that "the evidence is not strong; the disease is rare and has a good survival rate; there are less intrusive ways of preventing the disease; and there is no compelling reason to deny boys their legitimate right to make their own informed decision when they are old enough."
- The AAP says circumcision can offer protection against genital herpes and genital warts. The Europeans say that conclusion was based on studies in Africa that don't apply in the West; doesn't take into account syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia; and again is only relevant to adults, so "the decision of whether to circumcise can be postponed to an age when boys are old enough to decide for themselves."
- Perhaps most importantly, the AAP, relying on three studies done in Africa, suggested circumcision can have a preventive effect against HIV/AIDS. The Europeans argue that conclusion has been "contradicted by other studies, which show no relationship between HIV infection rates and circumcision status. The African findings are also not in line with the fact that the United States combines a high prevalence of STDs and HIV infections with a high per- centage of routine circumcisions. The situation in most European countries is precisely the reverse: low circumcision rates combined with low HIV and STD rates... There are alternative, less intrusive, and more effective ways of preventing HIV than circumcision, such as consistent use of condoms."
- The Europeans also noted the possible problems with circumcision -- infections, hemorrhages, metal strictures, deaths and (partial) amputations.
- And lastly, the foreigners say not to underestimate the foreskin's role in sexy time: "the foreskin is a richly innervated structure that protects the glans and plays an important role in the mechanical function of the penis during sexual acts. Recent studies [which the AAP did not take into account] ..suggest that circumcision desensitizes the penis and may lead to sexual problems in circumcised men and their partners.