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gomretat said:
The fact that Jimmer rarely gave up the ball made it less damaging...
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Where are you getting that "fact" from? I saw Jimmer give up the ball tons of times. In fact, in the nationally-covered games, the announcers frequently mentioned how great it was that Jimmer was getting points within the flow of the offense and without being a ball hog.

How many BYU games did you actually watch last year?
 
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gomretat said:
The getting better every year thing is a legit point. And he clearly has heart and determination which I think are the two reasons he might be worth drafting. The double team thing is a BYU fan myth. Teams starting playing him different off of the pick roll but outside of being in the paint he rarely got double teamed. The truth is, when teams guarded him with length his shooting percentage suffered. He will see length in the NBA. And the focus thing is highly suspect. Most of the teams he played against had not where close to NBA talent or NBA athleticism guarding him.
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lol Did you watch any BYU game? Rarely doubled team? bwhwahahaha
 
Watch film boys. He was doubled coming of the P&R until a shift happened or when they had a chance to trap. The teams who guarded him with length did a significant amount of one on one D. And anyone who thinks Jimmer gave up the ball a lot is smoking BYU peyote. Without doing the research, I am willing to bet he was near the top in both 3pt attempts and shot attempts. You can argue he should have done so which is fine but don't act like he was someone who gave up the ball. Not many college players get over 20 shot attempts a game or double figure attempts from 3 and both were a regular occurrence for JF.
 
gomretat said:
Watch film boys. He was doubled coming of the P&R until a shift happened or when they had a chance to trap. The teams who guarded him with length did a significant amount of one on one D. And anyone who thinks Jimmer gave up the ball a lot is smoking BYU peyote. Without doing the research, I am willing to bet he was near the top in both 3pt attempts and shot attempts. You can argue he should have done so which is fine but don't act like he was someone who gave up the ball. Not many college players get over 20 shot attempts a game or double figure attempts from 3 and both were a regular occurrence for JF.
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I think two of us have now asked you how many BYU games you actually watched. Are you going to answer?

Anyway, it's not incompatible to say that he gave up the ball a lot, and that he also got a lot of shots off. What happened is that his teammates would often pass him BACK the ball.
 
I didn't get to see very many games because I am not in the UT viewing area. In the games I did get to see it looked like Jimmer was the man among boys. Meaning the team looked to him for everything. Jimmer hit a number of passes that should have resulted in shots but were turned down and the ball passed back out. I also saw numerous assists get ruined because the teamate missed the open lay up or shot. Now I know that happens in the NBA all the time but Jimmers passes will be going to better players who should be able to finish at a higher rate.
 
Jimmer is white, from BYU, and Mormon. A lot of people aren't going to listen to facts to support him just for those 3 reasons...

If he were black, from UCLA (or some big east school), and anything other than Muslim, most of these morons like gome wouldn't have a thing to say. They're just trolling around to try and stir the pot.
 
I watched 3 BYU games in their entirety. That combined with the highlights leave me not so impressed with Jimmer other than his range, which is other-worldly. It was so obvious from the defense played against him in those games that the defense did not know how to trap effectively or how to stay in front of their man. They did throw people at him, but there were nowhere near the caliber of defender he will see in the NBA. It was also obvious they were focused on continually forcing him to the middle, often not staying in front of him as a result and giving up a couple steps so he was able to get open, as well as missing some trapping opportunities. I am certain he will not be able to get the same separation in the NBA and that his size and relative slowness will cause him great difficulty scoring the way he did in college.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I watched 3 BYU games in their entirety. That combined with the highlights leave me not so impressed with Jimmer other than his range, which is other-worldly. It was so obvious from the defense played against him in those games that the defense did not know how to trap effectively or how to stay in front of their man. They did throw people at him, but there were nowhere near the caliber of defender he will see in the NBA. It was also obvious they were focused on continually forcing him to the middle, often not staying in front of him as a result and giving up a couple steps so he was able to get open, as well as missing some trapping opportunities. I am certain he will not be able to get the same separation in the NBA and that his size and relative slowness will cause him great difficulty scoring the way he did in college.
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To think he'd play in the NBA the same way he played in college is ludicrous. It was the Jimmer 5 out there. One other good player and obscure "brothers." He's not going to be double teamed in the NBA. He's going to get better screens in the NBA. He's going to shoot less in the NBA. He's going to play off the ball more in the NBA. A pull up 30 footer won't a higher efficiency shot than running an offense because his NBA teammates will be better. Jimmer Fredette will be fine offensively.

I wouldn't want to draft him because players will average a 30.00 PER against him. That, and it's hard to tell if he can be part of a good offense in the NBA, and have good enough court vision.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
To think he'd play in the NBA the same way he played in college is ludicrous. It was the Jimmer 5 out there. One other good player and obscure "brothers." He's not going to be double teamed in the NBA. He's going to get better screens in the NBA. He's going to shoot less in the NBA. He's going to play off the ball more in the NBA. A pull up 30 footer won't a higher efficiency shot than running an offense because his NBA teammates will be better. Jimmer Fredette will be fine offensively.

I wouldn't want to draft him because players will average a 30.00 PER against him. That, and it's hard to tell if he can be part of a good offense in the NBA, and have good enough court vision.
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This. If he was allowed to play for the Jazz the way he played in college I'd be calling for Corbin's head. His range and shot selection are insane.I hope such insanity heads to Golden State where it belongs.
 
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