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Clayton or Collier?

Who Will Be Better?

  • Collier

  • Clayton

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seattlejazzfan said:
ha. one of us does, but it isn't me.
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Yeah well there are several people in this thread doubting he's good enough to be a starter in the NBA so I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm good with whatever people's opinions are though but he's going to prove them wrong... I think.
 
The whole world seems to have reached the point where everybody is overrating the importance of length in point-of-attack defense. Sometimes it seems like nothing else matters. It's crazy.

You can do a lot by moving your ****ing body and cutting off driving lanes. Sure, bigger players will get off their shots easier on you than a longer player, but you can do everything else to force them into lower-value shots or into a pass. Clayton is not athletically compromised when it comes to this other stuff. He might even be athletically gifted.

I don't remember where I read this, but there has been some interesting stuff written about how some fast-and-twitchy athletes are just not as good at harnessing their fast-and-twitchiness to their observations of the offensive player they're guarding as other players (even some who are much less fast-and-twitchy). In other words, they can't connect their reading of the offensive movements with a corresponding action.

I think there are some compelling reasons to believe this kind of thing. It's certainly a lot better than what I'm hearing from Internet Bros who talk about "having all teh tools but just not caring".
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
The whole world seems to have reached the point where everybody is overrating the importance of length in point-of-attack defense. Sometimes it seems like nothing else matters. It's crazy.

You can do a lot by moving your ****ing body and cutting off driving lanes. Sure, bigger players will get off their shots easier on you than a longer player, but you can do everything else to force them into lower-value shots or into a pass. Clayton is not athletically compromised when it comes to this other stuff. He might even be athletically gifted.

I don't remember where I read this, but there has been some interesting stuff written about how some fast-and-twitchy athletes are just not as good at harnessing their fast-and-twitchiness to their observations of the offensive player they're guarding as other players (even some who are much less fast-and-twitchy). In other words, they can't connect their reading of the offensive movements with a corresponding action.

I think there are some compelling reasons to believe this kind of thing. It's certainly a lot better than what I'm hearing from Internet Bros who talk about "having all teh tools but just not caring".
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I seem to recall a 6'1" Jazz guard who was a 5X all-defensive player. It can be done.
 
Should we trade
HadAnEffectHere said:
Clayton was not an impressive passer or defender at all in college. He wasn't Jimmer tier, but he was Jimmer-esque at times in those areas. We'll see how much he improves in the NBA when he's no longer the primary option on offense.
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You stupid
 
I've been a big fan of how Collier has handled himself throughout that year and how he fought for and won the starting job, but unless he massively improves his shooting, I feel like Walt is a much more seamless fit with ... any team really. His on-ball game is already plenty impressive, but what has been really fantastic in the SL so far has been his movement without the ball. I feel like as long as he's not a horrendous defender, he will win the starting job at some point during this coming season.
 
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