College Debt Forgiveness

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  1. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Dala...usury is defined as lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest. I'm telling you right now, 5% (standard student loan) is not unreasonably high. And I assumed when you references Jesus that you were talking about the Bible. I'm clearly not a follower of Islam, so I don't see where I would care what the Islamic viewpoint on usury is. It's not a relevant issue. The only reason the Jesus issue would be a relevant point for me is because I'm a Christian, and I rather detailed why I don't think student loans would be considered unreasonably high interest. The Bible does not say lending money with interest is wrong, it says it's wrong for believers to do that with other believers. The context matters there.
     
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  2. gandalfe

    gandalfe Well-Known Member

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    Originally, usury did mean charging any interest at all, but that is no longer the generally accepted definition.
     
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  3. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
     
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  4. gandalfe

    gandalfe Well-Known Member

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    My point is just that you're both right.
     
  5. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Sure. I think overall, the interest rate is a small piece of the puzzle. It's pretty much standard practice for any type of loan...expecting otherwise isn't realistic.
     
  6. idestroyedthetoilet

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    Debt is bought and sold at market for profit and loss all the time. The value of the debt is inversely correlated to interest rates.

    I don't see why an investing entity losing money on a debt means whoever aquires the note should also lose money on the debt. It sounds to me like you are going down some sort of potential for restructuring path for college debt, something I think should become a thing. That whole discussion has to start with what college debt is. It is an unsecured loan that nobody in their right mind would make to somebody with nothing given as collateral in return. Get your four year degree living off Mr. Monopoly then declare bankruptcy. So apparently we solved that problem by instituting this debt bondage situation, which is morally wrong IMO. Now,that we are here, how do we end debt bondage for the many who've slipped through the cracks? I think we can do that without the moral hazards these blanket forgiveness stump speech plans offer.


    You shouldn't care, whether they paid 60 cents or 100 cents on the dollar. I don't care if the provider of my home loan ever gets paid in full. What I care about is paying off the amount that deed fully into my hands. That's about me, they can lose their entire investment for all I'm concerned. (You can rant to me all you want about misplaced Christian guilt over debts owed)
     
  8. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Can I borrow some money from you interest free Mr nice and moral guy?

    You cant say no or ignore the request or else you are a bad person.
     
  9. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    It’s in the bible bro
     
  10. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    Sounds pretty unchristian to me
     
  11. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Again, that was a direction to believers only for use with fellow believers. Also why the Bible says they could charge interest to foreigners, ie, non-believers. Context matters, as you should know Dala.

    But I mean, if you would like things to be governed on the basis of the Christian Bible, that would sure be an interesting twist for you.
     
  12. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Men are superior and the controllers of women, and should beat them for disobedience.

    I'm sure @dalamon wants to go down the literal word road. Or is taking 2,000 year old words only prescribed to Christians?
     
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  13. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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  14. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    My point remains the same, Hant. Hear me out.

    Capitalism has largely modified the sort of Christianity that people practice, entirely straying from its teachings in certain aspects. From the beginning, I’m trying to get you to confront why the Christian Right gets their voters to focus *so much* on other theological issues, while there isn’t a single second of discussion on usury. What’s your answer? I’m targeting you because you have described yourself as a Bible fundamentalist before— I respect that, but I’m asking to see some consistency. Why are you waffling on this issue? The better question is to not personalize this issue— why does *everyone in America* waffle on this issue?

    Your sidesteps of “well it’s for believers” and “since when do YOU believe the bible” aren’t really relevant. I’m not saying I vote based on the bible— my point is that millions of Americans say they do, and yet the issue of usury never emerges. It’s because the leaders of this Christian Right are economically corrupt, clinging onto Neo-Calvinist doctrine— ultimately not giving a **** about the poor.
     
  15. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    Islam is anti-usury too. Mind you, at least Muslims have tried to create “Islamic banking” (to a serious extent) to avoid usurious practices— many Christians have been socially conditioned into worshipping capital by capitalist oligarchs, obscuring the obedience of morals many claim to maintain.

    Sadly, capitalism cuts across all cultures, and some of the greatest caricatures of economic oligarchy contemporarily exist in Muslim countries. I’m not trying to slam a religion, im trying to cause some introspection on how political systems impact the faith you have
     
  16. Wes Mantooth

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    Feels like this would be a good time to watch @spycam1 ’s user pic.
     
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  17. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough. I didnt care for your literal interpretation pushing (especially across time) on the previous page. I actually meant to bring up the bible and usury in the thread about capping interest rates. There's a quote out their something along the lines of usury laws being the oldest and most consistently enacted commerce laws. I think it's worth pointing out to Christian conservatives that it comes from The Bible.
     
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  18. jazzrule

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    That is so much bull. Many Christians work hard for their money and many give lots of money to charities and the poor. I know a Christian that recently loaned over a half a million pesos interest free to a poor man to help him buy a van to get into the tourist business.
     
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