Sexton went from "I'm a starter" to I'm losing all my minutes to the worst guard rotation in the NBA
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He is just awful for the team. If he played 15-20 a night it would be fine. But his role is too big and he is just as bad as ever on defense and tunnel vision. Against the Pacers Lauri got visibly upset with Sexton for not paying attention at the end of the 1st and trying to hurry. Then Sexton noticed the whole team yelling at him and jacked up a bad shot. Then later in the 3rd Sexton got the ball and drove in Lauri called for the ball because he was wide open everyone was sagging in to defend against what was inevitable a Sexton drive into 3 guys. Lauri called for the ball and then slumped his shoulders and stood still knowing nothing would matter. This is the stuff that drove his teammates crazy in Cleveland it seems to be wearing on Lauri and I assume others.
It is all very exacerbated when you have THT with the bad turnovers, bad drives, and over dribbling (at least he passes) as well as Clarkson who is a lot the same as Sexton.
I was really hopeful when we picked him up and coming into this season but he is now my least favorite player to watch on the Jazz which is saying something. Maybe we can keep him if we trade a bunch of other guys and limit his role, but honestly I would rather him ride the pine for now.
It is all very exacerbated when you have THT with the bad turnovers, bad drives, and over dribbling (at least he passes) as well as Clarkson who is a lot the same as Sexton.
I was really hopeful when we picked him up and coming into this season but he is now my least favorite player to watch on the Jazz which is saying something. Maybe we can keep him if we trade a bunch of other guys and limit his role, but honestly I would rather him ride the pine for now.
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He is averaging 18.9 minutes per game. Career low. And he is probably playing worse than he has in his entire career in that role.
And the jazz suck pretty bad
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Tremendous Upside
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I kinda feel bad for Sexton (if it's possible to feel bad for someone who will have made over $54 million playing losing, meh level NBA basketball after this season).
From what I've read, he seems like a good guy off the court, always supporting his teammates and saying the right things in interviews, but when he picks up a basketball... he just can't help himself. It's Jekyll and Hyde. Sexton seems totally incapable of changing his game. Some guys look off their open teammates, but Collin simply doesn't see them. He has the worst case of "blinders on" I've ever seen in a pro player.
From what I've read, he seems like a good guy off the court, always supporting his teammates and saying the right things in interviews, but when he picks up a basketball... he just can't help himself. It's Jekyll and Hyde. Sexton seems totally incapable of changing his game. Some guys look off their open teammates, but Collin simply doesn't see them. He has the worst case of "blinders on" I've ever seen in a pro player.
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I really wanted it to work for Sexton. I loved his attitude, but he just can't adjust the way he plays. The problem is, now everyone knows it the chance of a trade is very slim. We really need to be done with the Sexton experience, I just don't see how we do it.
Feel like the entire Jazz guard rotation needs to be put on a rule of pass when you touch the paint.
Okay, I should say 0 minutes then.
FYI, I am sure I am overreacting but its hard to watch. It makes it even harder when it is frustrating the other players and especially our one star player.
Yeah, even thought THT does some dumb ****, you don't see the visible frustration you see when Sexton does stuff. Sexton also loves clapping hard for the ball. You can just tell Sexton is constantly out of position with how his teammates react to him.
Tremendous Upside
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This is correct. The time to trade him was last season, when he actually had a not-horrible stretch of team basketball.
His market would have been small, but it only takes one dumb GM to pull the trigger. There was just enough "mystery" about Collin then. Now all the mystery is gone.
I feel like some times you have to force a player into a role for a little while to change habits. Even though it was a small sample size I felt like last year when he was plugged in as the starting pg he made it a priority to facilitate more and did a pretty good job at it. When coming off the bench his role has usually been instant offense and being aggressive which he can do really well at times but it also creates some serious tunnel vision. Either way he is still a much better player than what he has shown this season and I would expect him to snap out of it in the future.
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Ya I think you either gotta play him for real or not at all. giving him token minutes and minutes with scrubs in blowouts will only make him worse imo.
Worse?
He's exactly the same as he was last year for the most part. He's the same he has been his entire career.
He's an efficient scoring machine. Per 36 he's the same as he has been his entire career. Giving him those token minutes actually helps a lot.
The best thing you can do is give him 20 minutes and hope someone falls in love with his scoring numbers and can talk themselves into Sexton just being on a bad team. If you start playing him "for real" (which I'm assuming you mean like closer to starterish minutes) then teams will have an easier time seeing him as the problem. Find someone who will give us an expiring and maybe some 2nd rounders. Use the cap-space to just sign a solid vet backup in the off-season.
Just take a second to think of how insane it is the 8th overall pick who averaged 17, 20, and 24 on efficiency only got paid 16 million per year.....
That should give you a clue as to what the rest of the NBA thinks about his game outside of scoring.
That should give you a clue as to what the rest of the NBA thinks about his game outside of scoring.
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Yeah, I was trying to find the clip of Lauri today in the second half. He was calling for the ball and I think even clapped before giving up on the play, which made me laugh. Him clapping for the ball or after his one "hustle play" on defense each game, that probably should have been a foul is very annoying along with those tough eyes he gives.
THT makes some dumb moves but he gets some good assists and generally is playing within the flow of the offense. He just has some dumb turnovers and some dumb shots on his drives. Part of that is that he just doesnt have the handle to be a full-time PG.
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Just go full Hoosiers: how many times do we pass before we take a shot? FOUR! Four passes!
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I feel bad for the kid too. You can tell he lives to be part of a team but has no idea how to play in Hardy's system.
If Ainge can find a way to maybe package him + sweetener such as Olynyk for an expiring such as Lowry I would pull the trigger especially now that Keyonte is starting. I like KO but this team in no way can cover defensively for him either. The Heat have always found a way to pick up reclamation projects and turn them into serviceable guys who of course immediately turn back into pumpkins once they leave Miami.
FWIW I watched the end of the OKC/Cle game to check in on Don and sure enough Garland couldn't handle the height of OKC and just about got played off the floor. Just like Locke predicted the good 6'-1" playmaking guards are going to be obsolete in a few years let alone a 6'-1" scoring guard types like Sexton.
If Ainge can find a way to maybe package him + sweetener such as Olynyk for an expiring such as Lowry I would pull the trigger especially now that Keyonte is starting. I like KO but this team in no way can cover defensively for him either. The Heat have always found a way to pick up reclamation projects and turn them into serviceable guys who of course immediately turn back into pumpkins once they leave Miami.
FWIW I watched the end of the OKC/Cle game to check in on Don and sure enough Garland couldn't handle the height of OKC and just about got played off the floor. Just like Locke predicted the good 6'-1" playmaking guards are going to be obsolete in a few years let alone a 6'-1" scoring guard types like Sexton.
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I'm pretty sure FVV just got paid a bunch of money. I think Locke might be off a little on that prediction.
HeatCheck
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I thought only 2 years are guaranteed and Rockets needed to spend money to get to cap floor?