Collin Sexton SZN

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't care what you call it, but you have to have a guy who can control the pace, direct guys to their spots if necessary, and see the "bigger picture". For most teams that's the lead/point guard, but it can also be a center like Jokic.

We have nobody like that when Conley is out.

I agree you need some organizers or guys that you can throw the ball to that understand time score gameflow etc... but its not really coming from point guards all that much these days. Boston, Milwaukee, Miami it comes from wings... Denver, GS (steph is the point guard but Dray is the organizer setup man) it comes from bigs.

There are some pgs out there that do what Mike does but many successful teams are getting it elsewhere.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree you need some organizers or guys that you can throw the ball to that understand time score gameflow etc... but its not really coming from point guards all that much these days. Boston, Milwaukee, Miami it comes from wings... Denver, GS (steph is the point guard but Dray is the organizer setup man) it comes from bigs.

There are some pgs out there that do what Mike does but many successful teams are getting it elsewhere.

Boston got utterly ****ed with turnovers in the Finals due to the lack of strong guard play and they went out and got Brogdon because of it.

Not sure what you are saying with Milwaukee. They got Jrue Holiday, he isnt a Point God, but by modern standards he is a good game managing guard.

Miami has Lowry, so I still dont get what you are saying there.

Steph is still a very strong PG who can handle and set people up. He does less than he could on that end by choice, not through limitations. Still has strong assist to turnover ratios and generally does the right thing on the court at all times combined with strong ball-handling (which is the essence of what we are now saying when it comes to PG play, not purely assist, but do you make the right decisions on the court while being a strong ball-handler)

Denver really the only team without a strong PG outside of Boston, and they play a completely different style than most teams.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Boston got utterly ****ed with turnovers in the Finals due to the lack of strong guard play and they went out and got Brogdon because of it.

Not sure what you are saying with Milwaukee. They got Jrue Holiday, he isnt a Point God, but by modern standards he is a good game managing guard.

Miami has Lowry, so I still dont get what you are saying there.

Steph is still a very strong PG who can handle and set people up. He does less than he could on that end by choice, not through limitations. Still has strong assist to turnover ratios and generally does the right thing on the court at all times combined with strong ball-handling (which is the essence of what we are now saying when it comes to PG play, not purely assist, but do you make the right decisions on the court while being a strong ball-handler)

Denver really the only team without a strong PG outside of Boston, and they play a completely different style than most teams.

Not just this year or last year those teams get their playmaking in a variety of ways. Milwaukee goes through Middleton and Giannis... Miami goes through Jimmy... Boston won't be putting the ball in Brogdon's hands... it will go through Tatum, Brown, and Smart.

Steph does his fair share of playmaking but the organizer decision making duties are shared with Green for sure.

You can get the playmaking on the wing or from non-pg positions. If you get a point god type then by all means move one of those dudes (sexton/JC). The other takes a back seat.

 

[Bodhi]

No it hasnt. It has changed, but Point Guard is still very much a thing.

 

[Bodhi]

I agree you need some organizers or guys that you can throw the ball to that understand time score gameflow etc... but its not really coming from point guards all that much these days. Boston, Milwaukee, Miami it comes from wings... Denver, GS (steph is the point guard but Dray is the organizer setup man) it comes from bigs.

There are some pgs out there that do what Mike does but many successful teams are getting it elsewhere.

This guy gets it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not just this year or last year those teams get their playmaking in a variety of ways. Milwaukee goes through Middleton and Giannis... Miami goes through Jimmy... Boston won't be putting the ball in Brogdon's hands... it will go through Tatum, Brown, and Smart.

Steph does his fair share of playmaking but the organizer decision making duties are shared with Green for sure.

You can get the playmaking on the wing or from non-pg positions. If you get a point god type then by all means move one of those dudes (sexton/JC). The other takes a back seat.

Yeah, they go through those players, but someone has to get those players the ball. They cant be constantly bringing the ball up the court and initiating everything while also playmaking for others.

There's something between Point God and what Sexton is, and that's what most teams need.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, they go through those players, but someone has to get those players the ball. They cant be constantly bringing the ball up the court and initiating everything while also playmaking for others.

There's something between Point God and what Sexton is, and that's what most teams need.

They bring it up plenty... Collin can bring the ball up and give it to that player if we get there... so can JC.

I just think you hate him (basketball wise) and his play style. Doesn't mean it can't work.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They bring it up plenty... Collin can bring the ball up and give it to that player if we get there... so can JC.

I just think you hate him (basketball wise) and his play style. Doesn't mean it can't work.

And I think you are glancing over a lot of nuance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And I think you are glancing over a lot of nuance.

On the first statement I repeated what you said.

On the second statement I am not glancing over nuance... I'm cutting the bs. Sexton is better at getting into sets than ya boy THT who has multiple possessions where he dribbles aimlessly before trying a right handed layup on the left side of the basket that sometimes goes in... or shooting a Dirk fade away. Had he just put up the numbers Sexton did as a starter you'd be spamming the board with daily threads singing his praises.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

On the first statement I repeated what you said.

On the second statement I am not glancing over nuance... I'm cutting the bs. Sexton is better at getting into sets than ya boy THT who has multiple possessions where he dribbles aimlessly before trying a right handed layup on the left side of the basket that sometimes goes in... or shooting a Dirk fade away. Had he just put up the numbers Sexton did as a starter you'd be spamming the board with daily threads singing his praises.

I like THT, I dont think he is actually good (at least not currently).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I like THT, I dont think he is actually good (at least not currently).

Then we should move him now for the sake of the franchise. (am i doing it right?)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Then we should move him now for the sake of the franchise. (am i doing it right?)

If we can get something nice for him, sure.