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Compelling Pro Life Argument

Are those who take the 'life starts at conception' stance generally against Plan B?

I'd consider myself pro-choice but absolutely want to reduce the number of abortions as much as possible. Ways I see to do that:

-Better sex ed
-Easily/cheaply available contraceptive options
-Better healthcare/maternity type support for women

Other suggestions?

I don't really see adoption (lack therof) as a real driver in abortion.
 
What is it with conservatives? Always trying to make government just small enough to fit into our homes and bedrooms? Abortion is a private issue, a medical issue and a family issue, its none of anyone else's business. End of. Live your life your own way but stop trying to tell other people how to live theirs, it makes me so ****ing frustrated.
 
What is it with conservatives? Always trying to make government just small enough to fit into our homes and bedrooms? Abortion is a private issue, a medical issue and a family issue, its none of anyone else's business. End of. Live your life your own way but stop trying to tell other people how to live theirs, it makes me so ****ing frustrated.

Some claim they are conservative but are really socialists on certain moral issues.
 
I’ve long said there are far to many issues for someone to always be on the right or left every time.

What are you talking about? i'm right about everything, how you ignorant mother****ers don't pull your heads out of your own arses and realise this is beyond me.
 
This makes no sense. So you are saying the fetus needs to get consent to use the womb? Or what exactly?

The fetus doesn't need to act, but yes, I think the women needs to consent to having her uterus used.

Sounds like you are trying to say that we arbitrarily decided that women should get pregnant and that we need to stop forcing women to get pregnant. Huh?

I'm saying we shouldn't force them to stay pregnant.
 
Agreed. Adoption is awesome. I’ve never heard of anyone objecting to religious based adoptions. I have 2 adopted children so I’m kinda living in that world. Where did you hear this?

Religious organizations that discriminate against certain types of parents (such as those in a homosexual marriage) are not allowed to represent the government when arranging adoptions (for children in the foster system, as an example).
 
Agreed. Adoption is awesome. I’ve never heard of anyone objecting to religious based adoptions. I have 2 adopted children so I’m kinda living in that world. Where did you hear this?

I recall reading it some time back. My brother & his wife adopted 3 children through LDS social services. Afterwards I heard LDS social services no longer does adoptions. I don't know 100% if this is true, and if true, why. I am only speculating that concerns about blowback about using religious criteria (e.g., hetereosexual couple, LDS) to place children may be an explanation.

Understandably some object to such religious-based criteria as discriminatory against same-sex couples, which they are, but this is one area where I have no objection to carving out a religion-based exception. The goal should be to place as many children as possible into loving homes, and if one way to do it is to allow religious adoption services to "discriminate" in this way, then I'm OK with it... provided that non-traditional families are not systematically discriminated against in the market. (I believe a same-sex couple equally as capable of giving a child a stable, loving, nuturing home as a hetereosxual couple.)

As a policy preference, creating financial and other incentives for women to carry to term and for people to adopt HAS to be part of the equation if we want to reduce abortions. I should add putting in place a functioning, reasonably generous safety net for women and families to help care for children, which HAS to include health sector reform that provides universal access to quality care at a reasonable price, something many of the most ardent foes of abortion oppose, without seeing its link back to incentivizing at the margin the thing they hate so much.

The thought of abortions makes me queasy, but so does the state compelling a woman to have a child and interfering in her most intimate decisions about control over her own body and reproduction.
 
I recall reading it some time back. My brother & his wife adopted 3 children through LDS social services. Afterwards I heard LDS social services no longer does adoptions. I don't know 100% if this is true, and if true, why. I am only speculating that concerns about blowback about using religious criteria (e.g., hetereosexual couple, LDS) to place children may be an explanation.

Understandably some object to such religious-based criteria as discriminatory against same-sex couples, which they are, but this is one area where I have no objection to carving out a religion-based exception. The goal should be to place as many children as possible into loving homes, and if one way to do it is to allow religious adoption services to "discriminate" in this way, then I'm OK with it... provided that non-traditional families are not systematically discriminated against in the market. (I believe a same-sex couple equally as capable of giving a child a stable, loving, nuturing home as a hetereosxual couple.)

As a policy preference, creating financial and other incentives for women to carry to term and for people to adopt HAS to be part of the equation if we want to reduce abortions. I should add putting in place a functioning, reasonably generous safety net for women and families to help care for children, which HAS to include health sector reform that provides universal access to quality care at a reasonable price, something many of the most ardent foes of abortion oppose, without seeing its link back to incentivizing at the margin the thing they hate so much.

The thought of abortions makes me queasy, but so does the state compelling a woman to have a child and interfering in her most intimate decisions about control over her own body and reproduction.
Hell of a post

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I recall reading it some time back. My brother & his wife adopted 3 children through LDS social services. Afterwards I heard LDS social services no longer does adoptions. I don't know 100% if this is true, and if true, why. I am only speculating that concerns about blowback about using religious criteria (e.g., hetereosexual couple, LDS) to place children may be an explanation.

Understandably some object to such religious-based criteria as discriminatory against same-sex couples, which they are, but this is one area where I have no objection to carving out a religion-based exception. The goal should be to place as many children as possible into loving homes, and if one way to do it is to allow religious adoption services to "discriminate" in this way, then I'm OK with it... provided that non-traditional families are not systematically discriminated against in the market. (I believe a same-sex couple equally as capable of giving a child a stable, loving, nuturing home as a hetereosxual couple.)

As a policy preference, creating financial and other incentives for women to carry to term and for people to adopt HAS to be part of the equation if we want to reduce abortions. I should add putting in place a functioning, reasonably generous safety net for women and families to help care for children, which HAS to include health sector reform that provides universal access to quality care at a reasonable price, something many of the most ardent foes of abortion oppose, without seeing its link back to incentivizing at the margin the thing they hate so much.

The thought of abortions makes me queasy, but so does the state compelling a woman to have a child and interfering in her most intimate decisions about control over her own body and reproduction.

Well said

I have no problem allowing religions to impose whatever restrictions they want, even those I disagree with, as long as they are finding good homes for kids. If they are getting government funding, that would be different.
 
You don't see how the government getting involved in mandating certain intimate decisions is socialism?
I wouldn't call this socialism. Not every form of gov involvement in economy and other aspects of life equates to some form of socialism. Socialism is a word that if oft-used and oft-used incorrectly. Expect a lot of this to happen in next election cycle in which Repub's strategy is taking shape to try to paint Dems as socialism with AOC being one of their primary boogeymen for this purpose. I'm guessing, in 90%+ of the time, they'll use the term improperly.
 
I wouldn't call this socialism. Not every form of gov involvement in economy and other aspects of life equates to some form of socialism. Socialism is a word that if oft-used and oft-used incorrectly. Expect a lot of this to happen in next election cycle in which Repub's strategy is taking shape to try to paint Dems as socialism with AOC being one of their primary boogeymen for this purpose. I'm guessing, in 90%+ of the time, they'll use the term improperly.

Probably the understatement of the century.
 
The fetus doesn't need to act, but yes, I think the women needs to consent to having her uterus used.



I'm saying we shouldn't force them to stay pregnant.
Who or what is using the uterus without the woman's consent?

Side question, do you think a fetus is a human being, regardless of legality or policy? When do you personally believe life, human life with rights and worth protecting, begins? Again, without commenting in this context on the women's rights, since it is entirely possible to believe that life begins at conception but that a right to an abortion outweighs that belief.
 
Who or what is using the uterus without the woman's consent?

Side question, do you think a fetus is a human being, regardless of legality or policy? When do you personally believe life, human life with rights and worth protecting, begins? Again, without commenting in this context on the women's rights, since it is entirely possible to believe that life begins at conception but that a right to an abortion outweighs that belief.
I think he already answered your question a while back with something about life beginning even before conception by way of sperm being life and eggs as well?

Something to that effect.

So essentially you are aborting some form of human life with every act of masturbation lol.
Murderers all of us!

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