Compelling Pro Life Argument

[fishonjazz]

Why is that an idiotic statement?

You know, its you who looks stupid when you cant or wont give a logical rebuttal.

Trust me bruh. You dont look smart with your one liners calling other people stupid. It just looks like you have nothing else rattling up there, so you resort to insulting someone. Its the mark of a dunce.

He simplified those who get abortions into people who have sex intentionally without birth control and then don't want to raise the result of that decision.

That's an idiotic simplification.

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[fishonjazz]

Also is it really so dumb to say that people should know what the possible results of sexual activity are and be prepared to accept the results?

Sure that's fair.
Problem is abortion isn't simply about having sex and then having an unwanted pregnancy.
It can be about pregnancy via rape.
It can be about viability of an unhealthy fetus with little to no chance at survival.
It can be about a mothers life being at risk.

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[fishonjazz]

Not a big fan of science and personal accountability I see...

I'm not a big fan of oversimplifying a complex issue.

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[fishonjazz]

I'm pro life but Im not pro forcing everyone else to think the same as me.

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[Stoked]

There are an estimated 2 million couples waiting to adopt. Often this covers all expenses from the birth mother. It's weird to me this is seldom part of the discussion in any meaningful way.

I’m adopted, twice actually. But here is my problem with this stance.

https://www.americanadoptions.com/adopt/the_costs_of_adopting

Simply outrageous costs. It effectively excludes lots of loving parents from adopting a child.

Let’s make adoption a realistic option for a far larger segment of society and then push adoption.

 

[One Brow]

I bet conservatives won't let all the newly born babies die if abortions were to go away. What do you think jimmy?

I think history says that, while not *all* the newborns would die, there would be a lot of them that would.

 

[LogGrad98]

Sure that's fair.
Problem is abortion isn't simply about having sex and then having an unwanted pregnancy.
It can be about pregnancy via rape.
It can be about viability of an unhealthy fetus with little to no chance at survival.
It can be about a mothers life being at risk.

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Agreed. But I think the position of most pro-lifers provides exceptions in those cases.

 

[One Brow]

There are an estimated 2 million couples waiting to adopt. Often this covers all expenses from the birth mother. It's weird to me this is seldom part of the discussion in any meaningful way.

There are lots of kids waiting to be adopted, as well. They just don't seem to meet the potential adoptive parent's criteria. If the waiting list needs to be in the discussion, so does the selectiveness of the those on the wait list.

 

[One Brow]

One way the Left could help promote adoptions is to remove objections to religious-based adoption agencies that use religious criteria to place children. My brother adopted 3 children through the LDS Church, which is no longer, I believe, offering this service due in part to this issue. (I could be wrong.) I do believe that laws that encourage women to carry to term and place children in adoption should be promoted.

I thought we already had more adopters than kids to be adopted?

 

[One Brow]

Also is it really so dumb to say that people should know what the possible results of sexual activity are and be prepared to accept the results?

Does it matter that there is no other activity, legal or illegal, where we force the person performing their activity to give up any part of their body for the use of another person? Even if you stab someone in their kidneys, you can't be force to donate a lock of hair, much less a kidney. However, women are forced to make their wombs available. Sex requires more dire consequences than stabbing someone?

 

[Stoked]

There are lots of kids waiting to be adopted, as well. They just don't seem to meet the potential adoptive parent's criteria. If the waiting list needs to be in the discussion, so does the selectiveness of the those on the wait list.

Not really. You can’t force someone to adopt someone. How do you address that?

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed. But I think the position of most pro-lifers provides exceptions in those cases.

Well then I'm more pro life than I already thought I was.

I haven't felt that pro lifers take that stance very often though. I have usually felt that they take the stance of making abortion illegal. For all. In every circumstance. Maybe I have been misunderstanding though.

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