I don't waste resources... I use lot's of them!!
Conservatives refuse to be energy efficient
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I don't waste resources... I use lot's of them!!
Well there you go, we conservatives spend all our monies on charity, making sure under privileged kids in remote areas are being fed. No money left after that for all the organic/energy saving techie stuff.
We're poorer in the pocket - but we feel richer inside
Charities that are not forced for you to invest in to be a member of your church are a little different.
Plus this is saying conservatives dont buy something that cost the exact same amount of money but uses less energy, that is just common sense not more or less money to spend.
The Black Swordsman
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The book says that religious conservatives give more to secular charities as well opposed to nonreligious liberals.
Also this:
The Index of Global Philanthropy, 2007 states: “Religious people are more charitable than non-religious not only in giving to their own congregations, but also – regardless of income, region, social class, and other demographic variables – significantly more charitable in their secular donations and informal giving.”
hmm that is very interesting, after reading through the article I dont believe that they separated donations given to their church and given to other organizations.
https://www.hudson.org/files/publications/IndexGlobalPhilanthropy2007.pdf
Here is an interesting article that gives some more stats that show the picture is not cut and dry. For example non-religious doctors chose to work with poor more than religious ones.
There is also the problem with self reported numbers in that religious people claim to give more to charity than they do.
Also in studies that see how people react studies dont show differences.
https://secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=fi&page=generous_atheists
Further in the US when you take religious donations out of the equation the states who are on the bottom for donations like pennsylvania and new york jump to number 4 and 2 respectively and those are very low religious states.
I stick to what I said (at least in the USA) that when you take religious donations out (which generally are required/expected to maintain membership) there is not a difference between secular and religious peoples donation.
LOL.. of course if you take the religious ones out, the others would jump up. What else would you expect to happen?
There's only so much $ to go around. You wouldn't expect me to support 2 childs through World Vision as well as another 2 through Unicef, would you?
The point is, without the religious ones, charity would be pretty low across the board, no?
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Why do we need to take religious donations out? While it's true that donations go towards funding that religious operation, you can easily obtain records detailing the % going towards operations and salaries and the percentage distributed to those the charity serves. As I've examined some of the charities I give to, I've seen some alarming salaries paid to execs by "non-profits." And a good percentage of donations being used for marketing to get more donations. On the religious side, churches dole out monies and goods to everyone in the communities and countries they help, regardless of religious affiliation. Whether it's the Catholic Charities, Salvation Army or LDS Welfare, "religious" charities do not just serve their own. Nor are charitable contributions required/expected to MAINTAIN membership. I've seen the plate passed around at many masses and don't ever recall them taking down names. Nor has my membership ever been in jeopardy when I have not given tithing or fast offerings to the LDS Church.
Some churches allocate their money okay other do not.
The reason people are donating are also good and bad. Some donate to their church because they like where the money goes and a good amount donate because they are obligated by their church too. Not saying good or bad but I think saying religious people donate more to the world than non religious people is an overstatement and not entirely true, that was my point.
Living in Provo I know lots of people who pay their tithing not because they want to or like where it goes but because they are required to to maintain their temple recommend and feel like it is helping them get into heaven. I know lots who pay for good reasons, I just think there is a difference.
The reason people are donating are also good and bad. Some donate to their church because they like where the money goes and a good amount donate because they are obligated by their church too. Not saying good or bad but I think saying religious people donate more to the world than non religious people is an overstatement and not entirely true, that was my point.
Living in Provo I know lots of people who pay their tithing not because they want to or like where it goes but because they are required to to maintain their temple recommend and feel like it is helping them get into heaven. I know lots who pay for good reasons, I just think there is a difference.
Do most churches maintain records on their member's tithing donations and bring members in to discuss tithing if the church suspects the member is not paying 10%? I say that assuming that's still how the LDS church operates.
Let's say 100% of the tithes collected goes towards the church itself, property upkeep, paying the pastors, water, electricity, etc. How is that a bad thing? I think you would agree most churches teaches people to be loving toward one another, to have forgiveness in their hearts, and to sacrifice themselves for the greater good on the daily basis.
Is there anything wrong with having the congregation coming out of churches each Sunday and trying to be the most loving people they can be?
This is taking it to the extreme. I'm pretty sure in most churches, a % of tithes to go towards other services for the community as well such as financial advice, youth counseling and so on, and so forth.
Not sure about LDS.. but at our church we have an annual GM meeting, go through allocation of budgets, etc, etc, with whoever wants to be involved, usually the senior board is pretty well involved. Everyone is invited to attend and make suggestions.