Conservatives refuse to be energy efficient

[Stifle Tower]

I've also heard that conservatives hate babies and don't believe in Santa.

Just the opposite, actually. Conservatives have been fighting for decades to keep our fireplaces and chimneys. On the other hand, liberals are trying to force Santa to purchase carbon offsets for all the air travel he does on December 24th/25th. And Obamacare will force him to pay more for his health coverage as Santa obviously has a BMI that is too high.

 

[TroutBum]

Charities that are not forced for you to invest in to be a member of your church are a little different.

Wait, there are churches out there that force you to donate to charities in order to be a member? Who the **** would waste their time with that crap?

Living in Provo I know lots of people who pay their tithing not because they want to or like where it goes but because they are required to to maintain their temple recommend and feel like it is helping them get into heaven.

Again, I question if there are really people out there that feel/think that way. If you really know people who have said those things, I want to know what is wrong with them. Like, they must have a mental disorder of some kind, right?

Do most churches maintain records on their member's tithing donations and bring members in to discuss tithing if the church suspects the member is not paying 10%? I say that assuming that's still how the LDS church operates.

Has the LDS church ever operated like that? I get a sheet every year that shows what we paid (for tax reasons, I have always thought), and we decide if it was a full 10% or not. It's up to me to go to the bishop and let him know if I've paid a full 10 or not. They don't track you down. Trust me when I say that they have more important things to worry about.

Paying tithing is a privilege for a lot of LDS people, along with going to the temple. Neither tithing nor temple attendance is required to be a member of the church, and failure to do either of those things will not keep you out of heaven. (according to the gospel of Elvis J. Wells) People like Broncster take their ideas and ignorance and blow things way out of proportion -- and I love Broncster.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I've also heard that conservatives hate babies and don't believe in Santa.

Strangely I've heard liberals hate Santa and don't believe in babies. Weird.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Wait, there are churches out there that force you to donate to charities in order to be a member? Who the **** would waste their time with that crap?

You are right overstatement but to be in good standing with the church, yes.


Again, I question if there are really people out there that feel/think that way. If you really know people who have said those things, I want to know what is wrong with them. Like, they must have a mental disorder of some kind, right?




Paying tithing is a privilege for a lot of LDS people, along with going to the temple. Neither tithing nor temple attendance is required to be a member of the church, and failure to do either of those things will not keep you out of heaven. (according to the gospel of Elvis J. Wells) People like Broncster take their ideas and ignorance and blow things way out of proportion -- and I love Broncster.

Not all and not even the majority of LDS people act like I described but yes there are people like that and it is common. I was not trying to "blow" anything out of proportion, I think a few people are trying to make this more personal than intended and more defensive than anticipated, but sometimes my writing is more direct than intended.

Being LDS is just as much part of the social structure of Provo as it is religion. I do believe guilt and acceptance is a part of the reason people do things. I am not saying the LDS church hammers people or forces people to pay tithes but it is a requirement to be in good standings with the LDS church hence people put more pressure on themselves to obey.

My understanding is the LDS church keeps record of all tithes paid provides a sheet with the numbers on it and asks if you paid your 10 percent. There is pressure for some people and people react differently to pressure.

 

[TroutBum]

Not all and not even the majority of LDS people act like I described but yes there are people like that and it is common. I was not trying to "blow" anything out of proportion, I think a few people are trying to make this more personal than intended and more defensive than anticipated, but sometimes my writing is more direct than intended.

If it's common, then how come I've never even heard about it? I must admit, I do take religion personally, but not just my own. I am an equal opportunity butt-hurt recipient when it comes to all religions. I just can't stand it when people put out their opinions as if they're facts, especially when it involves a religion that they've likely never been a part of, and only "know" what they know from what they see on TV.

Being LDS is just as much part of the social structure of Provo as it is religion. I do believe guilt and acceptance is a part of the reason people do things. I am not saying the LDS church hammers people or forces people to pay tithes but it is a requirement to be in good standings with the LDS church hence people put more pressure on themselves to obey.

But that's just it, it isn't a requirement. And what does "good standing" mean? You can't get into a temple without a recommend, and you can't get a recommend unless you pay a full tithe -- but it's not like they print out a list of all those who aren't card carrying members. Your logic would also say that because I have a recommend, I am a superior person in my church, in good standing, and have a fast-track to heaven. As we all know, none of those things are true. Some of THE BEST people I've ever had the fortune of knowing didn't have a temple recommend because they thought tithing was pure schlock. They were all respected members of the church who had high callings and served like champs.

My understanding is the LDS church keeps record of all tithes paid provides a sheet with the numbers on it and asks if you paid your 10 percent. There is pressure for some people and people react differently to pressure.

Yes, they do give you a sheet. Like I said, I think it's for tax purposes. It does not, however, ask you if you paid your full tithe. If you want (see, it is your choice) to have a temple recommend, then you have to set a meeting with the bishop and let him know if you've paid a full tithe or not. If people feel pressure, then that's because they're idiots who want some reason to blame the church for their woe.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If it's common, then how come I've never even heard about it? I must admit, I do take religion personally, but not just my own. I am an equal opportunity butt-hurt recipient when it comes to all religions. I just can't stand it when people put out their opinions as if they're facts, especially when it involves a religion that they've likely never been a part of, and only "know" what they know from what they see on TV.

Well I have been a part of it, almost everyone in my family is a part of it and I live in provo where statistically 90% or so of the people I talk to every day are a part of it.



But that's just it, it isn't a requirement. And what does "good standing" mean? You can't get into a temple without a recommend, and you can't get a recommend unless you pay a full tithe -- but it's not like they print out a list of all those who aren't card carrying members. Your logic would also say that because I have a recommend, I am a superior person in my church, in good standing, and have a fast-track to heaven. As we all know, none of those things are true. Some of THE BEST people I've ever had the fortune of knowing didn't have a temple recommend because they thought tithing was pure schlock. They were all respected members of the church who had high callings and served like champs.


I think you are underestimating the pressure that being LDS (part of a religion) brings many people but that is just an opinion of mine and has nothing but anecdotal evidence to back it up.

 

[TroutBum]

If it's common, then how come I've never even heard about it? I must admit, I do take religion personally, but not just my own. I am an equal opportunity butt-hurt recipient when it comes to all religions. I just can't stand it when people put out their opinions as if they're facts, especially when it involves a religion that they've likely never been a part of, and only "know" what they know from what they see on TV.

Well I have been a part of it, almost everyone in my family is a part of it and I live in provo where statistically 90% or so of the people I talk to every day are a part of it.

But that's just it, it isn't a requirement. And what does "good standing" mean? You can't get into a temple without a recommend, and you can't get a recommend unless you pay a full tithe -- but it's not like they print out a list of all those who aren't card carrying members. Your logic would also say that because I have a recommend, I am a superior person in my church, in good standing, and have a fast-track to heaven. As we all know, none of those things are true. Some of THE BEST people I've ever had the fortune of knowing didn't have a temple recommend because they thought tithing was pure schlock. They were all respected members of the church who had high callings and served like champs.

I think you are underestimating the pressure that being LDS (part of a religion) brings many people but that is just an opinion of mine and has nothing but anecdotal evidence to back it up.

This whole thing is getting too level headed. I demand that someone call me a gay retard or something so we can get some drama back in here. Thank you.

 

[The Midnight]

Has the LDS church ever operated like that? I get a sheet every year that shows what we paid (for tax reasons, I have always thought), and we decide if it was a full 10% or not. It's up to me to go to the bishop and let him know if I've paid a full 10 or not. They don't track you down. Trust me when I say that they have more important things to worry about.
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Wait.. you're telling me you're a church/temple goer? Wow.. wouldn't have guessed that.

Wouldn't have guessed for for a million yearssss..

 

[Ron Mexico]

Wait.. you're telling me you're a church/temple goer? Wow.. wouldn't have guessed that.

Wouldn't have guessed for for a million yearssss..

That is between him and his bishop and does not concern you!

 

[Nate505]

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/26/1218453110

According to this study, if you put a message that using a light bulb is environmentally friendly, conservatives are less likely to buy it than they would the exact same bulb without that message.

I have noticed with some it's like they want to be wasteful in some sort of big **** you to environmentalism, even though it seems like they'd want to save money by using CFLs.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

If it's common, then how come I've never even heard about it? I must admit, I do take religion personally, but not just my own. I am an equal opportunity butt-hurt recipient when it comes to all religions. I just can't stand it when people put out their opinions as if they're facts, especially when it involves a religion that they've likely never been a part of, and only "know" what they know from what they see on TV.


Cry harder, turd cuddler.

 

[scootsy]

If it's common, then how come I've never even heard about it? I must admit, I do take religion personally, but not just my own. I am an equal opportunity butt-hurt recipient when it comes to all religions. I just can't stand it when people put out their opinions as if they're facts, especially when it involves a religion that they've likely never been a part of, and only "know" what they know from what they see on TV.


Cry harder, turd cuddler.

biffed his quote.