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Saint Cy of JFC said:
And yeah, that seems low for BI. But they need a center badly badly and they probably want to move Murphy in as a starter.

Utah is the only team who may be interested in BI who has a center that fits the Pelicans needs (good, starter quality, cheap)
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They are also just barely in the tax... so they need to move BI, get help at center, and do so while saving money. Kessler and Collins is the trade imo. I wouldn't add to it. At that price you can still justify playing hardball with BI and if he walks its not a big deal as you cleared some cap space at very least. It hurts the tank if everyone is healthy. If BI or Lauri miss chunks of games I still think its a stealth tank method. I wouldn't do this move imo. I would trade Walker (maybe with JC) for draft capital instead. I do understand this type of move though.
 
It would be a big plus for Lauri and the Jazz if he can translate that bulk into more big man ability. I think it opens up a lot better options than having him be a 3 (both offense and defense).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They are also just barely in the tax... so they need to move BI, get help at center, and do so while saving money. Kessler and Collins is the trade imo. I wouldn't add to it. At that price you can still justify playing hardball with BI and if he walks its not a big deal as you cleared some cap space at very least. It hurts the tank if everyone is healthy. If BI or Lauri miss chunks of games I still think its a stealth tank method. I wouldn't do this move imo. I would trade Walker (maybe with JC) for draft capital instead. I do understand this type of move though.
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I think tossing in one of the bad firsts is fair. I think we win more games with Kessler+Collins on the roster, so I'm not worried about tanking....I'm just a little worried about giving Ingram a long term deal given his health record.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sip thinks we are a guaranteed bottom 5 team if we stay pat....
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OK, guaranteed is pretty wild. I think we'd be favored, but there are definitely scenarios where I see us being outside of the bottom 5. There's WAS, BKN, and then like 4-5 teams for 3 more spots. I'd say we're one of those 4-5 teams.
 
KqWIN said:
I think tossing in one of the bad firsts is fair. I think we win more games with Kessler+Collins on the roster, so I'm not worried about tanking....I'm just a little worried about giving Ingram a long term deal given his health record.
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I'm still worried about tanking. BI gives us a higher ceiling but lower floor (because of health and consolidation) maybe. I just think instead of adding or substituting I'd be more inclined to subtract. Lauri is priority 1 but priority 2 is the tank.

I'm definitely out on the Cy plan of getting BI then adding more talent like Robert Williams or plugging more holes to push for the play-in. If they want to try and eff around and get BI it has the possibility of burning them. In this case burning them would mean we end up in the 9-14 space cuz BI plays 70+ games.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm still worried about tanking. BI gives us a higher ceiling but lower floor (because of health and consolidation) maybe. I just think instead of adding or substituting I'd be more inclined to subtract. Lauri is priority 1 but priority 2 is the tank.

I'm definitely out on the Cy plan of getting BI then adding more talent like Robert Williams or plugging more holes to push for the play-in. If they want to try and eff around and get BI it has the possibility of burning them. In this case burning them would mean we end up in the 9-14 space cuz BI plays 70+ games.
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If we got both Williams and Ingram and they both played 70 games the Jazz would be a top 6 seed .
 
Yesterday I was driving around listening to some guy bloviate about the best remaining free agents still out there and five of the top 15-16 are our guys: Yurt7, THT, Potter, Luka and Kira Lewis. This tells me that this season will be a tankathon of tankathons. Hardy needs to bring in JLIII as an assistant coach.
 
Sexton/Kessler/Collins for Ingram, sweetener, and salary filler.

Drive a hard bargain on an extension. He can walk if he wants. This is still a tank, but this move either has upside as a quick turnaround if it ~works out or it gets the Jazz off a bunch of salary.

Lauri and Ingram go for 30+ a game and play not very many games together.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Actually it doesnt.

You can trade for BI, and as long as you can pull it off with Walker/Sensabaugh/Collins, you dont give up any future assets. You can then see if it works/doesnt, or to what degree it works, then pivot in 2026 to tank (trade Lauri on a full contract that is a higher value) and tank in 2026.
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I should have been more specific.
It ****s the 2025 tank

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We have done a pretty good job already of making a team that can tank now.
Just get it done now and get the high draft pick next year and start building and going after the Ingram's of the NBA then.

I don't want to ruin the tank we have been constructing so we can lose in the first round of the playoffs and then start building the tank all over again when Lauri is just another year older.

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