Core 4 (or 5) comparisons

[Stoked]

Nice edit ^


How many lil conflicts are you gonna wiggle your way into today? Hopefully some family quarrel follows your jazzfanz quarrels. What a day.

I did edit it. So what?

How many fake conflicts are you going to create today? If you do not like other people entering your conflicts perhaps you should take them to PM and out of the threads.

 

[franklin]

You guys remind me of guys who try to convince themselves that some chick that they are with is hot. You have to reallllly squint your eyes to see these comparisons.

Way to miss the entire point of the thread.

U mad bro?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dala go home. You've had too much night train for this early in the morning.

I don't drink alcohol.

It doesn't have to be. The point of the thread was seeing what other comps/emulation targets people would come up with. I liked the idea of grafting some Harp skills into Hayward's game. That's it.

Personally I don't want to see him be more like Josh Howard or Richard Jefferson and I didn't think pre-injury Grant Hill was remotely possible. Mike Miller is more intriguing although I don't like the defensive sieve nature of his game.

You literally just said that Matt Harpring was the most similar physical specimen to Gordon Hayward. I gave you just as/much more accurate examples. That is what my point was about-- I never said whether I wanted Hayward to emulate Howard, Jefferson, or Miller.

I didn't insult you. I'm just aware of the fact that you were 11 when the season that I'm talking about happened. I doubt you have extremely strong memories of it and Harp, unlike Moses, doesn't exactly get lengthy NBATV highlight reels and marathons made for him. It's the same reason that I would expect people to be more familiar with how Jerry West played than with the playing style of Happy Hairston. Twenty years from now people may still be familiar with Bernard King even though they never saw him play because he lives on forever. Charles Smith won't be thought of much.

https://www.youtube.com/user/JazzBasketball1/videos

There are VERY many highlights, and game clips of Matt Harpring on this channel alone-- let alone uploads from other accounts on youtube. Obviously not to the calibre of Moses Malone-- but it's intellectually disingenuous to use age as a factor when Moses Malone went to the Finals when you first born 30 years ago. If your point is that there is not enough video of Harpring online to get an impression of what his game was like-- then (I think) you're completely wrong.

That would certainly be regression on that one specific metric. That being said the efficiency numbers would be high enough that while I might be disappointed, I wouldn't be "absolutely furious."

Again, this was about grafting one skill set on to an existing skill set, not becoming a carbon copy of one player.

This was about you choosing the 'most specific physical specimen to Hayward'-- which is where my objection arose. For reasons that you yourself are beginning to see, its obviously incorrect. I think that your just-disappointment is fair, because I see Hayward maybe going in a different direction. I want him to become Manu-lite,-- much of which predicates on how his offensive facilitation develops.

Ok. I might be wrong as well. I'm sure there are better comps that exist (although I like the Jamal Crawford one a lot) because I don't have a perfect knowledge of the breadth of NBA history. Not all of these were designed to be aspirational.




Skin color had nothing to do with it dal. I'm a big believer in cross-racial comparisons and you don't get to play the race card that irresponsibly.

Again, I would say that the season I'm describing the differences were not as large as you might think.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to pin you as racist-- rather, I'm trying to shed light upon the fact that >90% of the players that people compare Hayward to, are white-- and it ruffles my feathers.


Tis all. I think I get what you're saying, and vice-versa.

 

[Stoked]

U mad bro?

Not at all. I am finding your and Kickys dicsussion quite good. I never would have thought of placing Evans at the three.

I enjoy reading your honest dicussion of things.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I was going to start a thread on this, but might as well dump it in here.

Back in 05-06, Sloan ran a very jump shot heavy offense that didn't need a facilitator to rack up a **** ton of assists. I think the reason for his decision was the incredibly talented group rebounding he had - Memo, Boozer, AK, Harpring - who could clean up a lot of missed shots for easy put backs or resetting the offense as they did a lot.

Williams only averaged 4.5 assists per game. AK added 4.3 but he didn't do it in the way we would expect Hayward to this season. They only needed a point guard to dribble the ball up, pass to AK on the left wing, who waited patiently for the offense to develop a decent mid-range jumper. He got assists that way.

Matt Harpring played a huge 2 on that team. The way he was utilized is the way I'd like to see Hayward utilized by having him come off screens for jumpers with the ability to cut to the basket as well.

Very good post.

 

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I would love it if Evans could play SF. Maybe he should watch Kawhi... focus on D, know what your offense needs to be and DO NOT hesitate to execute it in the right conditions. Jeremy had an awesome 20' bucket the other night. Maybe he's found a set shot?

I don't think the AK comparisons are good because AK had excellent passing skills.

 

[Park Bites]

He needs to have those skills and more before he can even think about emulating Pippen. Not exactly realistic. There's no need to get bent out of shape, just my opinion.

i wish i was bent out of shape

 

[Deleted member 848]

I would love it if Evans could play SF. Maybe he should watch Kawhi... focus on D, know what your offense needs to be and DO NOT hesitate to execute it in the right conditions. Jeremy had an awesome 20' bucket the other night. Maybe he's found a set shot?

I don't think the AK comparisons are good because AK had excellent passing skills.

Its interesting, because I truly don't know what Evans' ball IQ is like. He hasn't really gotten mentionable playing time-- and when he does, his role has traditionally been one of a crowd-pleaser.

With the emergence of his jump-shot, and (hopefully) his confidence, it'll be interesting to see what other aspects to his game are uncovered.

 

[Litany]

Lmao at those pics of Nate. Omg.

 

[YB85]

I like the Moses comparison, but more for Kanter than Favors. Favors reminds me of Roy Tarpley before drugs/suspension derailed his career. Hayward is like Shandon Anderson: does a lot of things, comes up big at crucial moments, but also has games where he fades into the background or has a turnover on a simple play that is a killer. Burks is Correy Maggette. I'll wait until I see more of Burke before I put him in the comparison box.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I like the Moses comparison, but more for Kanter than Favors. Favors reminds me of Roy Tarpley before drugs/suspension derailed his career. Hayward is like Shandon Anderson: does a lot of things, comes up big at crucial moments, but also has games where he fades into the background or has a turnover on a simple play that is a killer. Burks is Correy Maggette. I'll wait until I see more of Burke before I put him in the comparison box.

Roy Tarpley eh? Huh. Very interesting comp.

 

[YB85]

Roy Tarpley eh? Huh. Very interesting comp.

Tarpley was beast and gave Malone fits back in those days. I'd love to see Favors develop into that kind of player (and stay away from the coke).

 

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I did edit it. So what?

How many fake conflicts are you going to create today? If you do not like other people entering your conflicts perhaps you should take them to PM and out of the threads.

So what? Maybe it is evidence that you know you're well into the grey space of behavior fitting for a moderator. You had to soften that one.

How many? WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO KNOW!!!

 

[Stoked]

So what? Maybe it is evidence that you know you're well into the grey space of behavior fitting for a moderator. You had to soften that one.

How many? WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO KNOW!!!

It was rhetorical.

 

[b_line]

Sirkicky - back to your Evans at 3 suggestion, the reason I looked back at that offense was to see if Evans could play that AK role. I think he could, especially if his jump shot is better than the king of air balling three pointers. Favors-Kanter-Evans-Hayward-Burke. Big.

Evans jump shot looked improved in the exhibition game the other night. At least, the one I saw him knock down... I think he missed a couple other ones, but to me a jump shot for a tall player like him who has decent form is all mental. If he can get that down, he could be a good player. He may never have the ball handling skills to play a SF for like 30+ minutes a game, but I think he could be very valuable in a big line up.

I remember those big lineups with AK and Harp, Booz, and Memo being just fantastic... in most situations. There were a few times where I thought Harpring looked big and clumsy, but AK rarely looked out of place as a small forward.

 

[sirkickyass]

I like the Moses comparison, but more for Kanter than Favors. Favors reminds me of Roy Tarpley before drugs/suspension derailed his career. Hayward is like Shandon Anderson: does a lot of things, comes up big at crucial moments, but also has games where he fades into the background or has a turnover on a simple play that is a killer. Burks is Correy Maggette. I'll wait until I see more of Burke before I put him in the comparison box.

I always forget about Tarpley. Probably because his career was so short.

One thing that I think is interesting about these comparisons is that a consistent strain is the idea that Favors is something of a throwback player.

 

[Stoked]

I always forget about Tarpley. Probably because his career was so short.

One thing that I think is interesting about these comparisons is that a consistent strain is the idea that Favors is something of a throwback player.

Lately I feel there has been a little bit of a revival in the center position. Favors, Kanter, Cousins, Monroe, Lopez, Gasol, Hibbert, Noah.. perhaps it is a faulty perception but I feel the over all talent at that position has recovered a little.

 

[8]

I think they should emulate players who work to get better every day, and make correct decisions on the basketball court

 

[b_line]

What if Favors could become an Antonio McDyess type player? Pre knee blowout, he was averaging like 20 and 12. I could see favors getting to the point of 18 and 12, with a few blocks. I remember Mcdyess being an exciting player, but I think he had more of a jump shot than Favors does. Also, Favors is taller, so he would probably get more blocks.

 

[The Midnight]

Actually, the strangest thing about this thread is why Kicky decided to go all Archieeenickkk and start a discussion with nothing but repetitive/(comedic?) value. I mean, how many ****ing times have we talked about this?

Typical Size/Huge - complain about EVERYTHING but contributing NOTHING.


C'mon bro, let's see your best comparisons... can't wait!!!