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Very rarely. I suppose the somewhat less rare hospital visit doesn't matter at all to you.


There were over 2,200 kids who received the vaccine in the clinical trials.

It's not a new technology, and vaccination generally has been around longer than either of us have been alive.


I'll be the first to acknowledge my post was deliberately inflammatory, so I'm sure after you've calmed down a bit, you'll see how silly it is to ask what senior citizens did for this country (since for the most part, they set it up for you to live in).
I just want time and more proven use of THIS PARTICULAR VACCINE before giving it to my kids. I apologize if my asymptomatic kid gives someone covid and may have a small chance of forcing them to make a hospital visit.

If this vaccine has been around for 35+ years then why is it only emergency use currently. Why even test it.

I understand senior citizens have contributed and given us this country but there are plenty of Donald's in that group too who are completely selfish. The seniors in our community may be outliers but they legit prevented schools from being built and delayed projects because they would not directly benefit from them. They preferred to save some money on taxes. It likely is silly for me to ask that... but given my current experience the seniors in the community don't care all that much about the youth in the community.

I'm gathering info... will make the best decision for the kids and the community. Not "doing my own research" but will talk with doctors and others I know personally.
 
The best person to have this discussion with is your pediatrician, or your local public health official. No one on this forum comes close.
There are some doctors and others on this board that have good info... there are also trolls. I will talk with people that are experts that I know and trust.
 
That's true of pretty much any medical procedure. No matter how many trials you do, you can't know all the effects until it starts being performed more broadly.

Feel free to talk stupid lol.

Nah you've just done it for me thnx. If you really think this is the same as "any medical procedure" that has much broader criteria and numbers and timeframe to study any long term effects then yeah you really are even more stupid that how smug you are. And for a disease that barely causes healthy 5-11 year olds symptoms more than a cold the ethical questions in dispersing such a treatment given the benefit is worth more than a sneering smart arse comment.

You're quite the condescending smug ****.
 
Nah you've just done it for me thnx. If you really think this is the same as "any medical procedure" that has much broader criteria and numbers and timeframe to study any long term effects then yeah you really are even more stupid that how smug you are. And for a disease that barely causes healthy 5-11 year olds symptoms more than a cold the ethical questions in dispersing such a treatment given the benefit is worth more than a sneering smart arse comment.

You're quite the condescending smug ****.
Vaccines are very simple medicines. The way they work has very little chance of causing major issues in the vast majority of people. Vaccines have been one of the most successful, most reliable and most effective treatments for major viral infections for more than half a century.

People take boner pills, SSRIs, hormones, and opioids like ****ing candy and then get all "I want to know what I'm putting in my body" when you offer them a ****ing vaccine. These same people often drink, smoke, do recreational drugs, drink 128 ounces of diet soda a day, and don't wash their hands after touching public door knobs. Stop pretending like you give a **** about what you put in your body.

How ****ing dumb are people?

EDIT: one more thing, the same anti-vax idiots on the far right also like to dismantle regulations about the things industry can pump into the air we breathe, the water we drink and the soil in which we grow our food, because freedom. Then they want to throw a tantrum about their freedom to not wear a mask and to not get a vaccine. Grow the **** up.
 
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Vaccines are very simple medicines. The way they work has very little chance of causing major issues in the vast majority of people. Vaccines have been one of the most successful, most reliable and most effective treatments for major viral infections for more than half a century.

People take boner pills, SSRIs, hormones, and opioids like ****ing candy and then get all "I want to know what I'm putting in my body" when you offer them a ****ing vaccine. These same people often drink, smoke, do recreational drugs, drink 128 ounces of diet soda a day, and don't wash their hands after touching public door knobs. Stop pretending like you give a **** about what you put in your body.

How ****ing dumb are people?

EDIT: one more thing, the same anti-vax idiots on the far right also like to dismantle regulations about the things industry can pump into the air we breathe, the water we drink and the soil in which we grow our food, because freedom. Then they want to throw a tantrum about their freedom to not wear a mask and to not get a vaccine. Grow the **** up.
Not to mention, a lot of the drugs and antivirals to treat Covid are much more dangerous then the vaccine.

On top of that, if you end up needing a ventilator, it is quite common for Covid patients (and other vent patients) to be given a paralytic. Odds of getting off a vent once on it are very low, and spending final days agonizing on a vent while paralyzed is not the way I'd like to go. The vaccine has been proven to be highly effective against hospitalization or the need of a vent.

And while Covid does not hit kids as hard, hospitals are seeing a lot more kids with the Delta variant (some otherwise healthy).

I don't think we should force the vaccine on anyone, and won't say you aren't patriotic if you do not get it. Maybe less courteous to your fellow man, but nothing that society should require.

Having seen the strain unvaccinated have put on our medical community, and the stress and anxiety it has put on our medical providers alone is bad enough. My wife is current doing rounds in the ER and with multiple Covid patients dying per week (and often per day) she is at her emotional limit.

And as stated earlier, doctors and other medical providers are pretty pissed about it. And while I know they do their best to treat every patient as a human (including convicted murderers), they are human, and I would not want my chart having a glaring red flag to in any way stoke anger in a person(s) I am depending on to save my life.

I will say that most people not getting it seem very uninformed as I have not heard any compelling arguments why one shouldn't get the vaccine.

And even those that are somewhat more informed still baffle me.

It seems comparable to a situation where you have to get across a roaring class IV river to avoid an impending natural disaster. You can take the bridge, which statistics posted by the bridge based on peer reviewed testing to date by the Corps of Engineers show safety of 99.9% or you can swim, which we know many will get across, but many also die (say 2-3% chance of death) as well as much higher morbidity factors.

It seems like a lot of people still want to swim. Some because they don't want to be forced to take the bridge, others seem to be convinced by a guy in a van down by the river telling people they shouldn't take the bridge based on some unproven tale (let's say a bridge troll) even though the government and other professionals have documented the bridge's safety and if you take the time to inspect the bridge from the bank there is clearly no troll other than the van guy spouting false information.

Hopefully cases continue to decline (we'll see what being more indoors in winter does) and we can move past the pandemic in the near future.
 
These same people often drink, smoke, do recreational drugs, drink 128 ounces of diet soda a day, and don't wash their hands after touching public door knobs. Stop pretending like you give a **** about what you put in your body.

How ****ing dumb are people?
Those who drink, smoke, and do recreational drugs don't typically force their kids to smoke or stuff recreational drugs down their kid's throats. In fact we have laws against it.

Handlogten's Heros has said getting his kids vaccinated is reasonable but wants to wait for 12 months or so for more data to come in first. Fishonjazz is talking about his young daughter. Douchebag K made clear he's talking about 5-11 year old kids in the snip you quoted. My wife is a scientist in the field of biology, is fully vaccinated as am I, and I've been extremely pro-vaccine on this board but there is no way our kid will be getting the Pfizer vaccine anytime soon because we understand math.

I want to take a moment to make sure I understand your comment. Are you calling parents expressing concerns "****ing dumb" because they have a double standard? Or did you take Douchebag K's comment about 5-11 year old kids, see that it wasn't a full-throated endorsement and use that as an excuse to generally attack antivaxxers even though his comment, nor Handlogten's Heros' comments, nor One Brow's comments, nor Fishonjazz's comments were about being antivaxxers?
 
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most people not getting it seem very uninformed as I have not heard any compelling arguments why one shouldn't get the vaccine.
Here is your compelling reason: because the vaccine is dangerous to young kids.

We know the vaccine is dangerous because the initial trials on young kids went badly and they stopped them to reduce the dose. You don't reduce the dose on a thing that isn't dangerous. You reduce the dose of a dangerous thing to reduce the danger.

We know the danger to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 age range from COVID is extremely low. We have a good gauge on that danger because we have a sample size in the hundreds of millions. We know the vaccine is dangerous to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 age range but we don't know exactly how much danger because we only have a sample size in the low thousands. Due to the extremely low risk to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 cohort, it isn't imprudent to want to see more data come in on the danger introduced by the COVID vaccine before subjecting your fully healthy 5-11 year-old kid to that danger.
 
I just want time and more proven use of THIS PARTICULAR VACCINE before giving it to my kids. I apologize if my asymptomatic kid gives someone covid and may have a small chance of forcing them to make a hospital visit.

If this vaccine has been around for 35+ years then why is it only emergency use currently. Why even test it.
The technology for this vaccines has been around for decades, but every new use of medical technology comes with strict testing protocols.

I'm gathering info... will make the best decision for the kids and the community. Not "doing my own research" but will talk with doctors and others I know personally.
I certainly wouldn't ask for anything more.
 
Nah you've just done it for me thnx. If you really think this is the same as "any medical procedure" that has much broader criteria and numbers and timeframe to study any long term effects then yeah you really are even more stupid that how smug you are.
I disagree. I am much more smug than stupid.

As for criteria and numbers, the numbers here are pretty typical for clinical trials of new medications, and the vaccine has been given yo hundreds of millions of adults. Do you have a specific process of interaction that would play out in children and not adults?

And for a disease that barely causes healthy 5-11 year olds symptoms more than a cold the ethical questions in dispersing such a treatment given the benefit is worth more than a sneering smart arse comment.
When you start upping your game past sneering comments, I will respond to you in knid.

You're quite the condescending smug ****.
Next, try announcing the color of the sky. We would all like to hear you say it.
 
Here is your compelling reason: because the vaccine is dangerous to young kids.

We know the vaccine is dangerous because the initial trials on young kids went badly and they stopped them to reduce the dose. You don't reduce the dose on a thing that isn't dangerous. You reduce the dose of a dangerous thing to reduce the danger.

We know the danger to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 age range from COVID is extremely low. We have a good gauge on that danger because we have a sample size in the hundreds of millions. We know the vaccine is dangerous to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 age range but we don't know exactly how much danger because we only have a sample size in the low thousands. Due to the extremely low risk to fully healthy kids in the 5-11 cohort, it isn't imprudent to want to see more data come in on the danger introduced by the COVID vaccine before subjecting your fully healthy 5-11 year-old kid to that danger.
The initial phase dosage was changed for adults too after some people had severe reactions (none life threatening).

There is a difference between a trial going badly vs expected adjustments for overall tolerability and efficacy. Where is this data about it going badly and being dangerous? Been talking to Chris Farley?

And while Covid is low risk to kids (we saw much higher hospitalizations with the Delta strain), our childrens hospital had had many extreme cases in otherwise healthy kids.

It is the vaccine that actually has extremely low risk for kids. No kids have died from the vaccine. The myocarditis and perocarditis that a small number of kids had found only one kid that had potential lasting issues all others recovered 100%.

And know that myocarditis and perocarditis are caused by Covid 19 at a much higher level. Along with stroke and other factors.

The death risk is low for kids with Covid, but now low enough, but that should not be the key focus.

The morbidity risks are even higher from Covid-19, and I don't want any of my loved ones to deal with the morbidity issues that Covid is causing at fairly high levels.
 
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