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Switching gears, it is a bit weird to see how much disconnect we have in protests and how they are treated. The Freedom Convoy is a good example of that as I believe they have every right to protest the mandates they see as unfair, but shouldn't be able to do at the expense of others.

Despite all the issues they've caused both economically as well as general disruption to citizens, it certainly feels that if they weren't largely conservative, blue collar and white that they would have been extracted by law enforcement long ago. I think back to how protestors were "ushered" out at Lafayette Park for Trump's photo op as an example of the inverse.

This doesn't mean it always happens - the Portland protests turned into riots are a good example of people overstaying their welcome, but it seems pretty clear to me that we allow certain groups more leverage to 'protest' than others based on race, social status and other traits.
 
Avery said:
it seems pretty clear to me that we allow certain groups more leverage to 'protest' than others based on race, social status and other traits.
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The leverage there is with what they're protesting with. It is a lot easier to move 50 hipsters than it is to move 50 semi trucks with trailers especially when the local towing companies are refusing to cooperate with law enforcement. There are over a thousand trucks. This isn't something local law enforcement is capable of handling. The only options Canada has are to (A) give in, (B) wait the trucks out in hopes they dwindle away to a manageable size, or (C) use the Canadian military against Canadian citizens. So far it appears Canada is going with option (B).
 
If you’re white and blue collar, this is a protest of patriots.

If you’re a person of color or protesting for people of color, you’re a thug.
 
This sure would be interesting. I have a feeling many who decried Reagan’s actions would be cheering something like this now and vice versa.

 
Al-O-Meter said:
The leverage there is with what they're protesting with. It is a lot easier to move 50 hipsters than it is to move 50 semi trucks with trailers especially when the local towing companies are refusing to cooperate with law enforcement. There are over a thousand trucks. This isn't something local law enforcement is capable of handling. The only options Canada has are to (A) give in, (B) wait the trucks out in hopes they dwindle away to a manageable size, or (C) use the Canadian military against Canadian citizens. So far it appears Canada is going with option (B).
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Eh, mace and rubber bullets would irritate a truck driver every bit as much as a hipster imo. Maybe more so due to the confined space.
 
fishonjazz said:
Eh, mace and rubber bullets would irritate a truck driver every bit as much as a hipster imo. Maybe more so due to the confined space.
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Okay, so you irritate the drivers with mace and rubber bullets. What then? It isn't the drivers that have to be moved. It is the trucks that have air brakes locking up all wheels on the vehicle that are difficult to move and those huge hunks of machinery don't care about mace or rubber bullets.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Okay, so you irritate the drivers with mace and rubber bullets. What then? It isn't the drivers that have to be moved. It is the trucks that have air brakes locking up all wheels on the vehicle that are difficult to move and those huge hunks of machinery don't care about mace or rubber bullets.
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So you think they will just chill in their trucks and get maced/tazed/shot with rubber bullets over and over again? Im betting they drive out of there. Or they get out of their trucks and leave them. Then you get others who know how to drive a truck to move em. Easy peasy. I doubt they would just leave their trucks though. The trucks are probably important to the drivers. I bet they care about fines and jail too. Use those things against them as well.
 
fishonjazz said:
So you think they will just chill in their trucks and get maced/tazed/shot with rubber bullets over and over again? Im betting they drive out of there. Or they get out of their trucks and leave them. Then you get others who know how to drive a truck to move em. Easy peasy. I doubt they would just leave their trucks though. The trucks are probably important to the drivers. I bet they care about fines and jail too. Use those things against them as well.
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Keep in mind that this is a labor action. Without negotiation of any kind, the people of Canada have unilaterally imposed a condition of employment on some equipment operators and those equipment operators have elected to refuse to operate the equipment they are responsible for in a prescribed manner until the people of Canada rescind that imposed condition.

The solution to this labor disagreement you think should be pursued is to take guns and shoot the laborers who have set up barbeques and bouncy castles for kids. Is that correct? Is there any particular outfit you think the government forces who are doing all this shooting should wear? Maybe something black with jackboots and skulls to look extra nice for all the cameras streaming live video to the world?

This kind of labor protest is not common in North America but it happens all the time in Europe. Usually it is farmers who protest pricing or restrictions by parking harvesting equipment and huge tractors on the roads. There have been at least 2 years I know of they even blocked off the Tour de France. I’m sure the video of Canadian goons shooting laborers to break this action will play well with European viewers. It might even land Canadian leaders in The Hague because unlike the United States, I do not believe Canada is immune from Hague prosecutions.

…or Canada could go with option (B) and wait out the truckers hoping they dwindle to a manageable size.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Keep in mind that this is a labor action. Without negotiation of any kind, the people of Canada have unilaterally imposed a condition of employment on some equipment operators and those equipment operators have elected to refuse to operate the equipment they are responsible for in a prescribed manner until the people of Canada rescind that imposed condition.

The solution to this labor disagreement you think should be pursued is to take guns and shoot the laborers who have set up barbeques and bouncy castles for kids. Is that correct? Is there any particular outfit you think the government forces who are doing all this shooting should wear? Maybe something black with jackboots and skulls to look extra nice for all the cameras streaming live video to the world?

This kind of labor protest is not common in North America but it happens all the time in Europe. Usually it is farmers who protest pricing or restrictions by parking harvesting equipment and huge tractors on the roads. There have been at least 2 years I know of they even blocked off the Tour de France. I’m sure the video of Canadian goons shooting laborers to break this action will play well with European viewers. It might even land Canadian leaders in The Hague because unlike the United States, I do not believe Canada is immune from Hague prosecutions.

…or Canada could go with option (B) and wait out the truckers hoping they dwindle to a manageable size.
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Eh, they dont have to follow my method. Using kids as human shields was a smart move. Protesters stemming from the george floyd incident should have done the same. In fact they are already moving to other methods.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford declared a state of emergency on Friday in response to the "siege" and "illegal occupation" of Ottawa, and in Windsor.

The Ontario premier will convene cabinet to enact orders that will make it "crystal clear" that is illegal and punishable to block and impede the movement of goods, people and services along critical infrastructure. This includes protecting international border crossings, 400-series highways, airports, ports, bridges and railways, in addition to the movement of ambulances, medical services, public transit, and movement on municipal and provincial roadways and pedestrian walkways

Fines for noncompliance will be a maximum financial penalty of $100,000 and up to a year imprisonment. The province will also provide additional authority to consider taking personal and commercial licenses away from those who do not comply.

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford declares a state of emergency in Ontario in response to 'siege' and 'illegal occupation'

Ontario Premier Doug Ford declared a state of emergency on Friday in response to the "siege" and "illegal occupation" of Ottawa, and in Windsor.
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Maybe some folks should follow the rittenhouse strategy and go there armed and hope they get threatened and then shoot some people and become celebs.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The leverage there is with what they're protesting with. It is a lot easier to move 50 hipsters than it is to move 50 semi trucks with trailers especially when the local towing companies are refusing to cooperate with law enforcement. There are over a thousand trucks. This isn't something local law enforcement is capable of handling. The only options Canada has are to (A) give in, (B) wait the trucks out in hopes they dwindle away to a manageable size, or (C) use the Canadian military against Canadian citizens. So far it appears Canada is going with option (B).
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They actually are going with option D now.
 
The irony is just amazing. Why doesn’t he just tell them to comply?

 
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