Coronavirus

[Deleted member 365]

This is why we need vaccine mandates. Staying unvaccinated and refusing to wear masks isn't just a personal choice that affects you, it affects all of society.

Do you have a right to overwhelm our health care system with a virus that can largely be mitigated via vaccination and **** over cancer patients?

So many here have such a perverse idea of freedom.



Fellow Jazz fans living in Utah, good luck. I hope you don’t need health care over the next few months. This is what unfettered “freedom” has wrought:



This could have been avoided had vaccines and masks been mandated. But… freedom, FDA approval, Murika, horse dewormer, or something.

 

[jumpin bean]

HOSPITALS ARE NOT FULL, THEY ARE UNDERSTAFFED FROM ALL THE FIRINGS FOR NOT GETTING THE DEATH JAB

 

[carey scurry fan]

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers​

251 times!!!

 

[JazzGal]

HOSPITALS ARE NOT FULL, THEY ARE UNDERSTAFFED FROM ALL THE FIRINGS FOR NOT GETTING THE DEATH JAB

Not true. Talk to a nurse.

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[Al-O-Meter]

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers​

251 times!!!

Yes, but do you understand it?

The study isn't a comparison between vaccinated versus unvaccinated. It is a comparison between variants.

From the study:

Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.

Even your alarmist site has added an addendum to clarify:

the Chau et al. 2021 Lancet preprint is between two different variants of SARS-CoV-2

Those infected with the Delta variant do carry a higher viral load than those who were infected by a different variant. In the case of vaccinated people, the viral load is 251 times higher. In the case of unvaccinated people, the viral load is 1,260 times higher.

How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread

Viral load is roughly 1,000 times higher in people infected with the Delta variant than those infected with the original coronavirus strain, according to a study in China.

www.nature.com

Delta is a nasty piece of work but scientific studies have shown that those infected by Delta who were vaccinated carry a fraction of the viral load of those who were not vaccinated when they were infected by Delta.

 

[Avery]

HOSPITALS ARE NOT FULL, THEY ARE UNDERSTAFFED FROM ALL THE FIRINGS FOR NOT GETTING THE DEATH JAB

 

[JazzyFresh]

Not true. Talk to a nurse.

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Stop spreading misinformation.

Intermountain Healthcare's ICU capacity count is based on its collective system and not one specific hospital, Webb explained. Patients can be "strategically" moved around Intermountain hospitals to keep beds open at certain hospitals, but the current situation means the emergency beds that doctors prefer to see open are now filled.

The situation has complicated medical care, but doesn't mean people are being turned away at the moment.

"Fortunately, right now, we aren't at a position where we're having to triage patients or send them on their own transportation to find a bed for themselves," Webb said. "We're not and don't expect to be in a position where we turn people away. If you need care, we still recommend that you go to the nearest hospital and we have full expectation that we will be able to provide good care there."

 

[JazzyFresh]

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Respect ya Avery but you're wrong to a big degree.

Meanwhile, Intermountain Healthcare and other health care providers are dealing with another problem: They're struggling to add more ICU beds. Hospitals converted non-ICU beds into ICU beds during the winter to deal with the surge in hospitalizations related to COVID-19. Webb said there's also a shortage of nurses, doctors and other needed employees to care for the increase number of patients.

"We've lost a lot who have actually retired from health care, and we're having a really hard time filling those positions," he said, explaining that many of the retirements are a result of the physical and mental toll of the past 18 months. "That's the reality: We have the physical space, but we don't have the personnel like we did last winter."

 

[fishonjazz]

HOSPITALS ARE NOT FULL, THEY ARE UNDERSTAFFED FROM ALL THE FIRINGS FOR NOT GETTING THE DEATH JAB

So again the answer is to get vaccinated.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

So again the answer is to get vaccinated.

Our hospital is full. Yes, they are losing people, not so much due to required vaccinations, those on the front lines were happy to get vaccinated. The turnover is from the stress of being overworked, exposure to covid, and seeing so many unneccesary deaths. My wife seemed to have a bit of PTSD after having countless patients die with no family in the rooms to comfort their dying loved ones due to no visitor problems, and we look like we are going back in that direction.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but at the same time, hospitals and medical providers should be free to prioritize care for vaccinated patients when beds run out.

 

[Avery]

Respect ya Avery but you're wrong to a big degree.

Meanwhile, Intermountain Healthcare and other health care providers are dealing with another problem: They're struggling to add more ICU beds. Hospitals converted non-ICU beds into ICU beds during the winter to deal with the surge in hospitalizations related to COVID-19. Webb said there's also a shortage of nurses, doctors and other needed employees to care for the increase number of patients.

"We've lost a lot who have actually retired from health care, and we're having a really hard time filling those positions," he said, explaining that many of the retirements are a result of the physical and mental toll of the past 18 months. "That's the reality: We have the physical space, but we don't have the personnel like we did last winter."

My issue with that post is that hospitals aren’t seeing a large degree of people quitting due to not getting a shot. They all received one eight months ago.

They are seeing some attrition because they’re frankly tired - that’s the root cause of the staffing issue.

Suggesting that they are quitting to not getting a vax is disingenuous.

 

[JazzyFresh]

My issue with that post is that hospitals aren’t seeing a large degree of people quitting due to not getting a shot. They all received one eight months ago.

They are seeing some attrition because they’re frankly tired - that’s the root cause of the staffing issue.

Suggesting that they are quitting to not getting a vax is disingenuous.

Some are though and many more are being flat out fired