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[fishonjazz]

It is not radical to want your kids to be able to read and do basic math. In sixth grade in Utah public education only a third of kids can do basic math.

This is a failure of public education to do its job and there appear to be no plans to do better. I have brought up this statistic repeatedly only for you to dismiss it, claiming I didn't understand something or other. That is how I know public education has no intention of improving. If you can't even admit there is a problem, there is no solving the problem. Instead you complain about being prohibited from giving pornographic materials to elementary aged children.

So if kids are struggling with public education then the answer is to be against it?
That's weird. I chose to support instead. Try to make it better. I donate money to my daughter's school. I volunteer at her school. I show gratitude to the administration.

I guess I should just tell them how bad they suck all the time and the improvement should show up soon after.

Maybe if we support our public schools and their administrations more then more good teachers would want to teach. I see at my daughter's school all the time. A child is misbehaving or doing poorly in school so the teachers or other administration will have the parents come to the school to talk about ways to help the child. The parents often just blame the school and teachers. The teachers hate their job due to things like this and leave. Other people know this happening in our society and don't want to become teachers

I feel the same thing is happening with politicians and law enforcement. If society constantly talks **** and shows tons of hate for a profession then the amount and quality of people wanting to go into that profession is going to decrease.

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[Al-O-Meter]

So if kids are struggling with public education then the answer is to be against it?

I agree with much of what you wrote but I think the answer is to have the options of trying a different solution and compare the results to determine how to best raise the child into a productive member of society. Public education statistically does a far better job of maintaining its monopoly over taxpayer money to discourage solution comparisons than it does of educating children.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree with much of what you wrote but I think the answer is to have the options of trying a different solution and compare the results to determine how to best raise the child into a productive member of society. Public education statistically does a far better job of maintaining its monopoly over taxpayer money to discourage solution comparisons than it does of educating children.

Fair but what do you propose?
Many people, such as myself, can't afford to pay for school.

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This is a failure of public education to do its job and there appear to be no plans to do better. I have brought up this statistic repeatedly only for you to dismiss it, claiming I didn't understand something or other.

Scores have been declining since 2012, IIRC. Your own graph indicates a dip in 2021, then a return to the previous decline rate.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It is not radical to want your kids to be able to read and do basic math. In sixth grade in Utah public education only a third of kids can do basic math.

This is a failure of public education to do its job and there appear to be no plans to do better. I have brought up this statistic repeatedly only for you to dismiss it, claiming I didn't understand something or other. That is how I know public education has no intention of improving. If you can't even admit there is a problem, there is no solving the problem. Instead you complain about being prohibited from giving pornographic materials to elementary aged children.

Problems related to the same boring arguments you’ve made against public education have already been explained to you multiple times. Ways to improve public education have also been explained to you multiple times. Unsurprisingly to anyone familiar with your low character and partisan identity, you put your head in the sand and continue to argue in bad faith to promote your radical and unrealistic political and ideological beliefs.

Why waste time refuting anything you say when you’ll just continue to offer the same boring arguments? Again, to those familiar with you, we all know you post merely to troll. Your attacks on public education are mere attempts to zing people like me for (accurately) revealing your cult like beliefs and trolling posts. You want to provoke argument to satisfy your boredom. You claim to be unfairly labeled ignorant, because you don’t understand “something or other.” In reality, you choose to be ignorant because you choose or pretend not to understand basic concepts to those who take valuable time out of their day to try and explain these things to you multiple times. Your demands to have someone argue with you are merely desperate cries for attention. At some point, enough is enough. Your bitching just becomes white noise

Time for you to create another alternative account. You might get a little more mileage that way before people recognize you as the low character insecure trolling piece of trash that you are and ignore you as most of us already are doing.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

you put your head in the sand and continue to argue in bad faith to promote your radical and unrealistic political and ideological beliefs.

Radical and unrealistic beliefs such as expecting more than a third of kids going through the system to be able to read and do basic math.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Fair but what do you propose?
Many people, such as myself, can't afford to pay for school.

School vouchers. The government sets aside money from taxes to educate children. In almost all of the United States, that collected tax money goes to public school districts which distribute it to the schools in the district even if you don't send your kid to the public school. With a voucher system, you get to direct that money to whatever school you choose. Sending your kid to a private school can be no cost to you because the tax money collected to pay for educating your kid would go to the private school. It is freedom to find the best solution for your kid.

If you like your local public school, then send your kid there and they get the tax money. If the public school ten blocks away as a stronger science program then send your kid to that one. If a private school has a stronger athletics program and you think your kid is on the cusp of being good enough to get a college scholarship if they get the solid coaching through their high school years, then send your kid to that private school. It is the same tax money, but you the parent have direct control over where your education tax money goes rather than school district administrators having power over where your education tax money goes.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Scores have been declining since 2012, IIRC. Your own graph indicates a dip in 2021, then a return to the previous decline rate.

It sounds like we agree that it is a systemic problem, and I don't see it being solved anytime soon as the problem refuses to admit there is a problem. At least it puts a little money in your pocket as concerned parents know they can't trust the public system to adequately teach their kids to do math. I am at the same time sad you need to fill the role you do and happy you are there to fill it. I don't see need for your services diminishing anytime soon.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Radical and unrealistic beliefs such as expecting more than a third of kids going through the system to be able to read and do basic math.

nice job of knocking down that straw man (about the only thing you ever succeed at on this website). Yep. That’s exactly the radical and unrealistic beliefs I was referring to. You got it.

Such a low character poster. Another troll response from the laziest troll on this board. Yawn.

“wHy WoN’t AnYoNe DeBaTe Me?”

 

[Al-O-Meter]

nice job of knocking down that straw man (about the only thing you ever succeed at on this website). Yep. That’s exactly the radical and unrealistic beliefs I was referring to. You got it.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your other outrage is over teachers being barred from giving pornographic material to children, which you refer to as “banning books”. Tell us all again how you’re in education but haven’t been around minors for several years.

 

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It sounds like we agree that it is a systemic problem, and I don't see it being solved anytime soon as the problem refuses to admit there is a problem. At least it puts a little money in your pocket as concerned parents know they can't trust the public system to adequately teach their kids to do math. I am at the same time sad you need to fill the role you do and happy you are there to fill it. I don't see need for your services diminishing anytime soon.

One theory that I am inclined to agree with is the prevalence of screen time in the home. Schools can't fix that.

 

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School vouchers. The government sets aside money from taxes to educate children. In almost all of the United States, that collected tax money goes to public school districts which distribute it to the schools in the district even if you don't send your kid to the public school. With a voucher system, you get to direct that money to whatever school you choose. Sending your kid to a private school can be no cost to you because the tax money collected to pay for educating your kid would go to the private school. It is freedom to find the best solution for your kid.

If you like your local public school, then send your kid there and they get the tax money. If the public school ten blocks away as a stronger science program then send your kid to that one. If a private school has a stronger athletics program and you think your kid is on the cusp of being good enough to get a college scholarship if they get the solid coaching through their high school years, then send your kid to that private school. It is the same tax money, but you the parent have direct control over where your education tax money goes rather than school district administrators having power over where your education tax money goes.

As long as private schools refuse to serve the entire public, they don't deserve public funding.