Could the Jazz Milk Washington if The Ace Saga Sours?

[KqWIN]

It was actually the third time.


Then you completely misunderstand why everybody here has a problem with his agent.

Nobody who has a problem with his agent is making the argument that he's doing exclusively what Ace himself wants him to do - the argument has always been that his agent has been the one making the decisions as to which destinations would be best for Ace, financial consequences be damned.

I don’t misunderstand why people have a problem with his agent. You guys have been talking over my point over and over and informing me as to why you hate him. I got it. That’s not what I’ve been trying to discuss. Understanding why people hate Cooper has nothing to do with the point of my post, but you guys have been sure to tell me about it!

Meanwhile, I’ve been trying to hammer in this point that getting a player to where he wants to go is part of the job. The methods are atypical because he’s a fake agent, but the attempt to place a player is not. The power structure between team/agent is the same regardless so I expect the outcome to be the same as other attempts. That’s what the post you replied to is about. It’s not important to bring up because I think people are hating on him for it. I brought it up to say that it will end up the same way.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I do think Cooper is more of a long term concern. Having the wrong people around a young player can harm their development. I don’t think Cooper is good for him.

Speaking to the title of this thread and thinking about moving Ace….yeah I don’t think so. Agents have continuously done “all they could” to place a player. “All they could” is different when you’re talking about a fake agent like Cooper, and that can cause a bigger headache. But fortunately for us power structure is still the same. You can’t do ****, and that’s why the Jazz didn’t care. Just because the agent has nothing to lose and no shame does not mean they actually have more tangible power.

But yea, there is going to be an ongoing headache and concern about his development as long as he has bad people around him. This whole thing is scarier for Ace’s actual development on the court.

The power structure exists, but as I pointed out above, sometimes major headaches matter more... and teams just give up.

 

[George W]

Who is Ace Bailey's agent? Meet Omar Cooper, the mystery man behind NBA Draft concerns | Sporting News

Bailey's agent has been at the center of scrutiny throughout the process.

www.sportingnews.com

Here's a great read about Ace's agent. An unlicensed agent that served 6 months for drug violations, has an attempted murder charge, and has weapon violations Fire that dude yesterday,

This is some dog whistle ****. Those charges were a billion years ago, most were dropped except the cocaine (who gives a ****), and he has spent the last several years running basketball teams for boys and girls, and getting them connected from high school to college basketball teams.

Sports media *loves* going after non-professional sports representation. Look at the ******** Lamar Jackson had to deal with. And it makes sense -- the whole construct/viability of agents is premised on conveying that you should just a professional to handle your business, not family or important mentors. Given the connections between agents and sports journalism, you can count on the journalism to absolutely **** on Ace Bailey for the next few days for daring to not giving a cut of his contract to agents who did nothing for him in contrast to what Omar Cooper has done.

I agree with @KqWIN -- this agent tried his very best to put his client in what was foreseen as the best situation (Washington). And guess what-- if we didn't have such a team menaces running our FO, they were gonna pull it off. Now there is a situation where folks are confirming that there is no trade up option, realizing that 'yes, Utah wants the kid and no, they're not gonna give him up for nothing', and it will conclude with Ace's appearance in summer league next week. This will all blow over, and have minimal bearing on Ace's prospects as a basketball player.

You can say all you want re: wanting to play in NOLA vs Utah. Everyone here is forgetting the ******** Donovan Mitchell had to navigate as a black star playing in Salt Lake City. A move to Utah for years, like we're talking 7 years, takes some adjustment, some time to ensure that there is no other alternatives. Players having this amount of power is tough for fans but ultimately best for the players, which frankly deserve any power they can command. They are the league.

- George

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is some dog whistle ****. Those charges were a billion years ago, most were dropped except the cocaine (who gives a ****), and he has spent the last several years running basketball teams for boys and girls, and getting them connected from high school to college basketball teams.

Sports media *loves* going after non-professional sports representation. Look at the ******** Lamar Jackson had to deal with. And it makes sense -- the whole construct/viability of agents is premised on conveying that you should just a professional to handle your business, not family or important mentors. Given the connections between agents and sports journalism, you can count on the journalism to absolutely **** on Ace Bailey for the next few days for daring to not giving a cut of his contract to agents who did nothing for him in contrast to what Omar Cooper has done.

I agree with @KqWIN -- this agent tried his very best to put his client in what was foreseen as the best situation (Washington). And guess what-- if we didn't have such a team menaces running our FO, they were gonna pull it off. Now there is a situation where folks are confirming that there is no trade up option, realizing that 'yes, Utah wants the kid and no, they're not gonna give him up for nothing', and it will conclude with Ace's appearance in summer league next week. This will all blow over, and have minimal bearing on Ace's prospects as a basketball player.

You can say all you want re: wanting to play in NOLA vs Utah. Everyone here is forgetting the ******** Donovan Mitchell had to navigate as a black star playing in Salt Lake City. A move to Utah for years, like we're talking 7 years, takes some adjustment, some time to ensure that there is no other alternatives. Players having this amount of power is tough for fans but ultimately best for the players, which frankly deserve any power they can command. They are the league.

- George

Yeah the people who keep bringing up the cocaine stuff/jail time are being gross

 

[fishonjazz]

But we’re basically wasted a pick.

So. We would survive. Ace needs the money more than we need a single pick. We have had years without picks in the past.

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[fishonjazz]

Wasting a full year of tank is costly.

But it would help our tank for AJ. So it might actually benefit the jazz.
Would be way more costly for ace

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[fishonjazz]

Let's say the worst case scenario plays out (I still am skeptical - I think this is bluster from an untrained, unfiltered dolt of an agent)...

IF Ace's team told the Jazz "don't draft him, he won't come if you do..." and the Jazz still drafted him knowing full-well they were told he was not interested in playing for the Jazz, that's kind of on Utah for assuming they could then bully Ace into accepting a deal he clearly, and flatly told the Jazz, not to make.

True.
Should have taken Tre Johnson

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[fishonjazz]

This thread is depressing.

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[fishonjazz]

No I'm serious, I don’t think we would care if an agent forced their player to Utah. We would clap our hands and celebrate. He didn’t want Utah and I still don’t care. I care as much as the FO does, which is none at all.

The stupid part was identifying Washington as the best situation—I think Philly would’ve been better. But the defensible action is trying to get your player to their preferred destination, whatever that is. Players want to be in certain places, and it’s the agent’s job to get them there. That’s what I mean by “doing right by his client.” Once you’ve identified a preferred situation (right or wrong), you should do everything you can to make it happen.

Cooper’s unique position as a fake agent allowed him to do more, and he certainly did that. You can keep talking past me, but this is my stance. Getting a player to a destination is the job of an agent.

Serious question. Have you ever changed your stance on something?

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[fishonjazz]

How can I put this simply. I’m obviously failing miserably, so maybe less words is best?

Omar Cooper = Bad

And

WAS/NOP/BKN as preferred destination = Bad

But

Trying to get player in preferred destination = Agent Job

Maybe the disagreement is that you think that getting a player to a specific destination is the agents ONLY job and other people think that getting a player to a specific destination is only PART of his job. Getting the player money and not destroying his reputation could be part of the agents job along with trying to get a player to a preferred destination? If true then the agent is only doing part of his job and messing up the other parts.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe the disagreement is that you think that getting a player to a specific destination is the agents ONLY job and other people think that getting a player to a specific destination is only PART of his job. Getting the player money and not destroying his reputation could be part of the agents job along with trying to get a player to a preferred destination? If true then the agent is only doing part of his job and messing up the other parts.

Money from contract is only one part of the money they make.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I wish if a player decided to not report for an entire year and re-enter the draft, every team made it clear that they weren’t going to draft that player. That would end this threat immediately. The entire integrity of the draft is contingent on players playing for the teams they’re drafted by. If players can now dictate who can draft them, then the entire draft collapses.

I understand this type of stuff has happened in the past. Of course players have preferences for big markets and warm climates. But I’ve never heard of a guy legitimately considering sitting out a year and re-entering the draft. If this happens, the NBA needs to rethink the entire process. Otherwise, I’m not sure how small markets dig themselves out of these holes.

I’m also not sure the nba can afford this type of stunt. Aren’t tv ratings tanking across the board? Doubt this will help the NBA’s reputation.