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Could the Jazz Milk Washington if The Ace Saga Sours?

If any of this is true, and this is a “basketball move,” I’m more perplexed as to why he wouldn’t want to come here?

We’re a well-respected staff / front office with a WIDE OPEN roster + path to impact player status. Come here, get developed, post your 20+ PPG, get maxed out, and then go do whatever you want.
 
KqWIN said:
I joke about Ace’s agent, but hot take—I think he was doing right by his client. Agents placing players in specific situations happens every year. This was just more public because Cooper only has one client, so he can afford to burn bridges. Larger agents can’t pull these moves because they need to maintain relationships across multiple clients (unless you’re Rich Paul weaponizing his entire roster).
Pre-draft is the only time agents have real leverage, and Cooper used all of it for Ace. Didn’t work out how they wanted, in an odd way going HAM for his client is admirable.

Could be wrong, but I expect that he’ll fade into the background now and we won’t hear about it much after a few weeks.
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Didn’t I read somewhere that Cooper was also Ace’s highschool coach?

If so maybe it was the Agent’s idea.

If that’s the case then maybe they double down.
 
KqWIN said:
I joke about Ace’s agent, but hot take—I think he was doing right by his client. Agents placing players in specific situations happens every year. This was just more public because Cooper only has one client, so he can afford to burn bridges. Larger agents can’t pull these moves because they need to maintain relationships across multiple clients (unless you’re Rich Paul weaponizing his entire roster).
Pre-draft is the only time agents have real leverage, and Cooper used all of it for Ace. Didn’t work out how they wanted, in an odd way going HAM for his client is admirable.

Could be wrong, but I expect that he’ll fade into the background now and we won’t hear about it much after a few weeks.
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I think you’re giving Cooper way too much credit here.
 
KqWIN said:
If rookie scale money was the only thing that mattered, you might be into something. It’s not. There’s a long history of players doing this. It’s not a new thing.
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There is literally zero history of an agent attempting to lose his client that amount of money through tanking his draft stock.

Mobley and Curry were brought up as other examples. With Mobley, it would've been a $3M paycut. With Curry, less than $1M.
 
KqWIN said:
I joke about Ace’s agent, but hot take—I think he was doing right by his client. Agents placing players in specific situations happens every year. This was just more public because Cooper only has one client, so he can afford to burn bridges. Larger agents can’t pull these moves because they need to maintain relationships across multiple clients (unless you’re Rich Paul weaponizing his entire roster).
Pre-draft is the only time agents have real leverage, and Cooper used all of it for Ace. Didn’t work out how they wanted, in an odd way going HAM for his client is admirable.

Could be wrong, but I expect that he’ll fade into the background now and we won’t hear about it much after a few weeks.
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Yeah this ain’t it but check back in a few weeks when the details are hopefully revealed.
 
bigmike said:
If any of this is true, and this is a “basketball move,” I’m more perplexed as to why he wouldn’t want to come here?

We’re a well-respected staff / front office with a WIDE OPEN roster + path to impact player status. Come here, get developed, post your 20+ PPG, get maxed out, and then go do whatever you want.
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NOP we’re on the list for hells sake. This is not about what Ace wants.
 
MT Steve said:
There is literally zero history of an agent attempting to lose his client that amount of money through tanking his draft stock.

Mobley and Curry were brought up as other examples. With Mobley, it would've been a $3M paycut. With Curry, less than $1M.
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What part about it not being all about money do you not understand? Agents should do whatever they can to get a player where he wants to be. It doesn’t matter if that cost $1M, $5M, or $15M. Where a player wants to be is where he wants to be. And every single year agents do this.

It’s up to the player to decide what is worth it. Obviously Ace did not think dropping was going to give him a bigger rookie deal. He wanted to be there anyways. Players and agents can be wrong about what’s best for them. But I’m speaking to the actual effort placing a player where they want to be.

I think people are upset that UTA wasn’t considered a good location. Ok, that’s a separate conversation from the actual act of getting a player to a specific spot. If he and his camp had determined that UTA was his best location and he did the same thing to get here we wouldn’t be calling it grooming. We’re only freaking out about it because we were not the team that was wanted.
 
KqWIN said:
What part about it not being all about money do you not understand? Agents should do whatever they can to get a player where he wants to be. It doesn’t matter if that cost $1M, $5M, or $15M. Where a player wants to be is where he wants to be. And every single year agents do this.

It’s up to the player to decide what is worth it. Obviously Ace did not think dropping was going to give him a bigger rookie deal. He wanted to be there anyways. Players and agents can be wrong about what’s best for them. But I’m speaking to the actual effort placing a player where they want to be.

I think people are upset that UTA wasn’t considered a good location. Ok, that’s a separate conversation from the actual act of getting a player to a specific spot. If he and his camp had determined that UTA was his best location and he did the same thing to get here we wouldn’t be calling it grooming. We’re only freaking out about it because we were not the team that was wanted.
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View: https://x.com/jazzketballl/status/1938474605020381212?s=46
 
KqWIN said:
If Ace chose Utah, would you have the same energy? Where is the disdain and grooming allegations for every other time this happens?

The desire to place a player in a specific place is not bad. The actual choice of where they wanted to go, questionable.
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You have no idea why I have “this energy”. But keep on defending this guy that is just doing right by his client or whatever you think… it won’t age well.
 
KqWIN said:
What part about it not being all about money do you not understand? Agents should do whatever they can to get a player where he wants to be. It doesn’t matter if that cost $1M, $5M, or $15M. Where a player wants to be is where he wants to be. And every single year agents do this.

It’s up to the player to decide what is worth it. Obviously Ace did not think dropping was going to give him a bigger rookie deal. He wanted to be there anyways. Players and agents can be wrong about what’s best for them. But I’m speaking to the actual effort placing a player where they want to be.

I think people are upset that UTA wasn’t considered a good location. Ok, that’s a separate conversation from the actual act of getting a player to a specific spot. If he and his camp had determined that UTA was his best location and he did the same thing to get here we wouldn’t be calling it grooming. We’re only freaking out about it because we were not the team that was wanted.
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There's a dramatic difference between it not being "all about the money" (not my argument) and it being so not about the money at all that a $13M paycut is worth forcing yourself to a franchise like the Pelicans.

I'm just trying to figure out in what universe that's looking out for a client's best interests. Certainly not this one.
 
MT Steve said:
There's a dramatic difference between it not being "all about the money" (not my argument) and it being so not about the money at all that a $13M paycut is worth forcing yourself to a franchise like the Pelicans.

I'm just trying to figure out in what universe that's looking out for a client's best interests. Certainly not this one.
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Just gotta give this story a couple weeks… **** that don’t make sense will.
 
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Sarah Todd (@nbasarah.bsky.social)

Ok. So, confirmed that Omar Cooper is not an NBPA certified agent. Ace Bailey does have other representation in the way of an agent, so I'm not really sure why Cooper is calling himself Bailey's agent. But Cooper is reportedly the person who has been the voice for Ace throughout the predraft process
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Handlogten's Heros said:
You have no idea why I have “this energy”. But keep on defending this guy that is just doing right by his client or whatever you think… it won’t age well.
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No I'm serious, I don’t think we would care if an agent forced their player to Utah. We would clap our hands and celebrate. He didn’t want Utah and I still don’t care. I care as much as the FO does, which is none at all.

The stupid part was identifying Washington as the best situation—I think Philly would’ve been better. But the defensible action is trying to get your player to their preferred destination, whatever that is. Players want to be in certain places, and it’s the agent’s job to get them there. That’s what I mean by “doing right by his client.” Once you’ve identified a preferred situation (right or wrong), you should do everything you can to make it happen.

Cooper’s unique position as a fake agent allowed him to do more, and he certainly did that. You can keep talking past me, but this is my stance. Getting a player to a destination is the job of an agent.
 
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