Culture of winning or tank?

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The point is we had to over pay him. If he wasn’t behind two all stars we never would’ve gotten him. If Boozer hadn’t been money hungry, I doubt we sign him. Both Mitchell and DWill tried recruiting, both quickly realized that would never happen.

Basically we got lucky with both those players signing here. There were even rumors K-Mart wanted to play here, but in the end he only said that to build leverage for a better deal, there wasn’t serious interest on his part.

 

[fishonjazz]

I remember a few years back when we were playing the memphis grizzlies and they were tanking and marc gasol was having a monster game and they were in danger of beating us. So they sat marc gasol on the bench for the entire 4th quarter lol.

 

[framer]

Basically we got lucky with both those players signing here. There were even rumors K-Mart wanted to play here, but in the end he only said that to build leverage for a better deal, there wasn’t serious interest on his part.

He was supposed to fly out for an interview and the Jazz canceled on him because they secured Boozer. He wouldn't have been flying to Utah if there wasn't interest.

 

[framer]

So basically, you would be happy with having a solid team that makes the playoffs every year but doesn't necessarily have the high-end talent to win a championship? That's exactly what we've had the last 6 years. Wasn't the whole reason why we blew up the roster and started a re-build because being a good team but not a great team wasn't good enough anymore? Didn't we all want more? Aren't we trying to build a roster that can be a true championship contender? I don't want to half *** this rebuild, I'm all in on being bad in the short term if it helps us win a championship in the long term.

Except with the flattened odds you can't guarantee being bad in the 'short term.' Would you be on board with an 8 year playoff drought? I doubt OKC sniffs the real playoffs (non play in) before they start losing the assets they gained at the start of their tank like SGA.

I'm OK playing to get value for our 30 year olds, flipping them for draft capitol and under 25 year olds then working every day to improve the team from there. That way if you hit in the draft you have the team to do something before the star eats all of your cap. You would also have the assets to get missing pieces.

 

[framer]

I hope you also remember that the biggest reason we were good again soon after than is because we got the #3 pick and drafted deron williams.


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We did not have the #3 pick. We used assets to trade up to the #3 pick.

 

[framer]

2

Toronto and Detroit.

Also Dallas, the original Miami championship, and Milwaukee.

 

[idiot]

Since the NBA changed its lottery order, these are the guys I'd feel most likely to lead their current (drafted-by) team to a championship as the best player (in rough order from most to least likely) as well as the (pre-lottery) finish of the team that picked them (1 = worst record). (I'm giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to guys on the bottom half of the list.):

• Ja Morant - 8
• Zion Williamson - 7
• Evan Mobley - 5
• Anthony Edwards - 3
• Scottie Barnes -7
• Cade Cunningham - 2
• Paolo Banchero - 2
• RJ Barrett - 1
• Darius Garland - 2
• Jalen Green - 1
• Josh Giddy - 4
• Chet Holmgren - 2
• Keegan Murray - 7

Tell me again why a seventh-worst finish this year is the kiss of death which will consign us to years of mediocrity that we cannot pull ourselves out of. The randomness of the current draft odds mean that there's a lot that teams simply can't control.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

He was supposed to fly out for an interview and the Jazz canceled on him because they secured Boozer. He wouldn't have been flying to Utah if there wasn't interest.

Taking that flight tells his former team he means business

 

[bopahull]

The Spurs didn't tank to get Duncan. Their best player got hurt, didn't play most of the year, and their other good players fell off a cliff in production.

On the flip side, the team that did tank for Duncan, the Celtics, didn't get him.

The Spurs didn't officially tank, they just kept a totally healthy Robinson (he was injured early in the season) out for a good month and a half at the end of the season even though he was practicing with the team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Since the NBA changed its lottery order, these are the guys I'd feel most likely to lead their current (drafted-by) team to a championship as the best player (in rough order from most to least likely) as well as the (pre-lottery) finish of the team that picked them (1 = worst record). (I'm giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to guys on the bottom half of the list.):

• Ja Morant - 8
• Zion Williamson - 7
• Evan Mobley - 5
• Anthony Edwards - 3
• Scottie Barnes -7
• Cade Cunningham - 2
• Paolo Banchero - 2
• RJ Barrett - 1
• Darius Garland - 2
• Jalen Green - 1
• Josh Giddy - 4
• Chet Holmgren - 2
• Keegan Murray - 7

Tell me again why a seventh-worst finish this year is the kiss of death which will consign us to years of mediocrity that we cannot pull ourselves out of. The randomness of the current draft odds mean that there's a lot that teams simply can't control.

It’s not the kiss of death… it just means the odds are much worse… you did the homework now do the math… it’s not randomness it’s just ****ing math.

 

[Ben10]

Agreed but I really think you need a top 10 player to win a ring in today's NBA. Anunoby, Siakam, Van Vleet, Lowry, Gasol were all scrappy players but they don't win it all without Kawhi.

And Kawhi was a 15th pick in the draft. For all the talk about having to get a top 5 pick it seems like most of the Champions outside Lebron’s teams best player wasn’t picked in the top 5. Curry #7, Klay #11, Draymond second Round. Gannis was picked in the teens. Middleton wasn’t a high pick.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And Kawhi was a 15th pick in the draft. For all the talk about having to get a top 5 pick it seems like most of the Champions outside Lebron’s teams best player wasn’t picked in the top 5. Curry #7, Klay #11, Draymond second Round. Gannis was picked in the teens. Middleton wasn’t a high pick.

Warriors had KD and also Wiggins last year. There was a Duncan guy that was pretty good… Shaq played at the same time and he won a few… Miami had Lebron but also Wade won without him.

Giannis has one, Kawhi won one without Duncan, Steph wouldn’t have as many without KD… top 5 picks do pretty well.