And had we tanked properly we would be in a better position than we are now.
Culture of winning or tank?
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If we hadn't tanked at all we might have a top 4 pick.
I'd rather not nuke the team for a shot at a slightly better pick in a comically weak draft.
You really got to stop responding to OL like he is someone with a functioning brain.
AlaskanAssassin
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I wish I knew what our plan was to get out of mediocrity.
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It's more about tactical moves to me. Tactically there are times to tank and times to go all in. It isn't about only being a tanking culture or only being a winning culture. It's about playing the rules and gaps in the rules to our best advantage over time. Sometimes that means taking a tanking track to get the assets to go all in on winning. And that's the long-term strategy.
Bawse Dawg
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"Culture" is not a real thing. Or at least it's not something that permeates the fiber of an organization independent of who's there. People make the culture of a place. You get people/players with winning mentality AND WINNING SKILL/ATTRIBUTES... and winning culture is not hard to build. What's hard to get is the people with the skills and attributes who can compete to win it all. This is the bottleneck, not the "culture". I've been saying this for ages and not much has changed in my mind - the NBA is incredibly top heavy league. With some very minor exceptions, you need MVP level talent if you want to win it all. Ask yourself what's the best way for a team like the Jazz, with the limitation that we have as small market... as a predominantly white state... what is the best way to get an MVP level talent on the roster(and keep him for long enough to be able to actually build a team around him)?
To me the answer is obviously to tank and get lucky.
To me the answer is obviously to tank and get lucky.
Both this year and last year were the half-assed versions of a tank. The version where your FO miscalculates your own ability and talent and attempts to compete, but half way through the season realizes they've screwed up so now it's time to salvage what you can and you tank. Only by doing it more than half-way through the season you actually abandon the benefits of both paths - high chance for a good pick and playoff experience. It's the stupidest thing your organization can do and we've done it 2 times already. Lets see if we can make it a triple crown!
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And I'm sitting here thinking that having Ivey and Ausar would be kind of exciting.
This is what happens when people think too highly of themselves. They come up with their own definitions of well established concepts.
Culture is a thing, and has been extensively studied by people 10x smarter than you.
Winning skills/attributes on the other hand are a figment of your own imagination. While some skills are more important than others and length is important for sure, but champions have been built in various different ways and there is no one formula.