******* dads.

[green]

Well done.

Can I have his PlayStation?

I'd say yes, but me and the wife play it too much. If you're ever in Portland, come play!

 

[Nate505]

I just want to address something real quick. Babe seems to be under the impression that I'm some kind of druggie. Babe, I'm a working man. The jobs I get you have to pass a drug test for. And, if I'm at work and cut my finger I get drug tested on the spot, or if I knock over some boxes and hurt someone else or damage company property, I get a drug test on the spot. I'm okay with that because I'll pass.

I spent six years in the Navy without being subject to a single disciplinary action. I was drug tested at least 10 times in my six years of Navy service. I passed those tests, every time.

I've talked about drug stuff that took place from about 1992-1998. And during that time I did a lot less drugs than most of the people I hung out with. I was never all that into it. Was usually pretty hesitant to put something into my body unless I was sure what it was. As mentioned, I've never done coke even though it's been offered to me many times. Never done ecstasy, would never do it. I drifted away from my high school friends as they started doing meth and I wasn't into it (probably the best decision I ever made). I've really done very few drugs all things considered. I'm not a druggie.

Please don't be so simple as to think that my opposition to the war on drugs is so that I can do a bunch of drugs. The war on drugs has been an enormous tragedy. Even though it really doesn't affect people like me and doesn't affect me specifically very much at all, I can see the harm it does to society overall and the lives it has destroyed that didn't need to be destroyed, whose destruction has served no positive purpose.

Don't you still drink? Or are you on the proverbial wagon now.

I'm curious in general, how did booze escape the drug label, when it's not only a drug but by any objective measure it's one of the more intoxicating and addictive ones. Is it just the legality?

 

[Gameface]

Don't you still drink? Or are you on the proverbial wagon now.

I'm curious in general, how did booze escape the drug label, when it's not only a drug but by any objective measure it's one of the more intoxicating and addictive ones. Is it just the legality?

Oh, I don't count out alcohol as a drug. It's more destructive than marijuana if abused. Never would even try to deny that.

No wagons round here.

 

[VINYLONE]

But, lest anyone imagine it's only conservatives who do this sort of trip on their kids, I believe liberals do it more frequently, and generally have lower tolerances for divergent opinions today than conservatives do.

Can I ask what you base this "belief" on? The day that one side of the aisle has the more exact moral compass is the day that I believe there's an elephant in my trunk. While I believe that there are extremes on both ends on both sides of the aisle, I think most folks live at the hump of the bell curve of life. It reminds me of a quote from Sherlock Holmes:

while the individual man is an insoluble puzzle, in the aggregate he becomes a mathematical certainty. You can, for example, never foretell what any one man will do, but you can say with precision what an average number will be up to. Individuals vary, but percentages remain constant. So says the statistician.

...which is a paraphrase from Winwood Reade.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well that escalated at the appropriate pace

 

[Archie Moses]

If being an ******* dad is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

 

[Gameface]

no hate here.

I deleted the post when you objected, you lacked the discretion to delete yours and let it pass.

Unless it is more important for you to knock me down a bit than have a good party, you could just delete all the crap in here about my comment.

When I see you've read this, I'll delete all of mine. Fair enough?

Sure babe, fair enough

 

[Nate505]

I didn't read all of this post but what I did read I have no problem with.

What I do have a problem with is when I see posts of your saying blanket statement things like all weed smokers are lazy, dumb, no good, jobless, homeless, criminal drains on society.

I know alot of marijuana users who go to work every day, are successful, have good families with good values, are motivated and ambitious, and are generally just good people who hurt no one by using pot.

Carl Sagan was a pot smoker. His education and credentials dwarfed 99.9% of the population that has ever lived.

 

[VINYLONE]

I don't know if my kids could do anything to make me disown them. If they murdered someone, I'd drive them to the police station, but I'd visit them every chance I could. Honestly, if my kid screws up big time and they are still living at home, then I failed.

This post reminds me of this recent story:

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...icer-Henry-Solis-Fled-to-Texas-296939781.html

 

[Beer]

This post reminds me of this recent story:

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...icer-Henry-Solis-Fled-to-Texas-296939781.html

Or the dad in Utah who's own son killed 2 of his other young sons. He still stands by the murderer and loves him but man that has got to be close to the worst thing that could possibly happen to a father.

 

[Gameface]

Dude.. Hats off for having tried both LSD and LDS. Thankful to be alive, I'm sure.

My parents left the LDS church when I was about 3. My mom only joined prior to marrying my dad. She wasn't really religious growing up in Missouri and my parents met while they were both enlisted in the Army in the early 70s. I have very vague memories of going to church.

 

[babe]

My parents left the LDS church when I was about 3. My mom only joined prior to marrying my dad. She wasn't really religious growing up in Missouri and my parents met while they were both enlisted in the Army in the early 70s. I have very vague memories of going to church.

The way this reads to me is that you weren't ever LDS since baptism takes place at age 8. Your dad probably had some issues about leaving it, your mom not so much.

I could make the case, from my own experience, that the LDS Church is anything from a "cult" possessed by demonic powers all the way to the only hope for mankind. I could consider the present leaders practically members of my own family, and make the case about their sterling integrity, or I could argue that they have thrown their birthright/callings to the pigs trying to re-make Mormonism into something comprehensible to the folks of our time. . . .

I do observe that most people's thinking follows their life decisions on personal conduct, rather than the other way around.

I sorta understand the Dr. Joneses of the world, and the good-time charlies, but for me the fact remains, I am not a good enough person myself to be a "leader" of a church or to direct others' beliefs. I can see the faults, as I suppose them to be, in a Henry B. Eyring or a Thomas Monson, but I have not lived as honorably as they have.

Nobody, by "taking thought" can make God or a Church into what they want to think it is. In the case of "God" we simply have no access to any control of whatever that is, and in the case of a "Church" it is the aggregate of a community, often a very large community of millions of people, all of them acting independently at some level beyond our "control", so anything we have to say about our experience is bound to be of "passing validity".

We get to choose for ourselves, to judge for ourselves as we please ourselves to do, but we do not have fundamental power to define others. We do define ourselves.