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Handlogten's Heros said:
Alright… I got this feeling. I think there is a chance Dame comes to the Jazz this offseason (through trade obviously). He had the article this weekend about Weber state and the whole state is like a second home… we had the question years ago where he said Utah is his second choice… I just think his brand is about loyalty and not being a sell out, and a shift to Utah wouldn’t be viewed as selling out. Portland has blown it… the management and ownership situation sucks… I also think they’d be okay letting go now as the contract is scary.

I think the contract is scary and would cause some hesitation on the acquisition price. Them doing right by Dame would also factor in.

Not sure how I’d feel about it but Dame, Lauri, Kessler is kind of a fun trio to build around. There is no nonjazz star I have loved more than Dame. As long as the price is okay I think I’d be good with a win now trade that may hurt later cuz it’s a bad contract.
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I agree this time he is gonna leave. Portland will never give him a winning roster before time is up.

What you say makes sense. JC doesnt fit that picture for me since we would have plenty scoring potential between Dame, Lauri and Kessler playing with 2 3&D types. JC doesnt bring much more than scoring to the table, and I would complement that team with shooters who use their energy on D.

Biggest concern is the back end of his deal and the fact that we still lack that elite lockdown PoA defender who we would have to trade for as well. Is that too risky/expensive?
 
So the question in my mind is who is your second move? In terms of availability, you may max out at like an Anunoby guy. Does that core take you far enough? I guess part of that is determining what we land in the draft.
 
infection said:
So the question in my mind is who is your second move? In terms of availability, you may max out at like an Anunoby guy. Does that core take you far enough? I guess part of that is determining what we land in the draft.
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Probably draft pick if it is high enough.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Which is kind of my thought too. If the price was the LA pick, the 2025 cavs pick, and another Cavs or Minny first... that is kind of the sweet spot. I think you could send Sexton or JC in a sign and trade with THT and do an unbalanced type deal. I want to see what Ochai has the next 20 games or so, but I'd be fine cashing in that chip if it had a lot of value to Portland. I like Ochai but I don't think he is super special.
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Assuming the jazz didn’t have the first pick they’d want this years pick.
 
LoPo said:
We should have just kept Donovan Mitchell.
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Not sure that’s so cut and dry the truth. I know you’re just going to argue he never asked out, but IMO he did the jazz a solid by only asking for a trade privately. I can’t confirm it but his actions in the off-season make it look pretty convincing he was excited for a new start. I’m also not sold that he’d be as good this year in Utah as he has been with the Cavs this year. Not sure keeping Mitchell puts us on a road to title contention keeping Mitchell. The next time there’s a disgruntled star the jazz can out bid anyone in a trade. And looking solid for adding a solid to elite player in this years draft.

Besides adding Kessler to Mitchell feels like running it back a bit.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Not sure that’s so cut and dry the truth. I know you’re just going to argue he never asked out, but IMO he did the jazz a solid by only asking for a trade privately. I can’t confirm it but his actions in the off-season make it look pretty convincing he was excited for a new start. I’m also not sold that he’d be as good this year in Utah as he has been with the Cavs this year. Not sure keeping Mitchell puts us on a road to title contention keeping Mitchell. The next time there’s a disgruntled star the jazz can out bid anyone in a trade. And looking solid for adding a solid to elite player in this years draft.

Besides adding Kessler to Mitchell feels like running it back a bit.
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We will never know everything. What we do know is that Donovan linked up with Coach Hardy AFTER the Rudy trade BEFORE Don was traded. I don't think he does that if he was pushing his way out. But we will never know everything.

Kessler and Mitchell while Kessler is making his current salary is a major difference. Kessler is part of a center rotation and not the entire center rotation in a system built around a limited center.

We should have never traded Donovan Mitchell without trying to build around him first. It will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history. I like Lauri and all, but we never even tried to build around Donovan Mitchell. Ever.

I say that in light of the fact that we are discussing Dame Lillard. Donovan Mitchell is better in every single way (age, ability, etc.).
 
infection said:
So the question in my mind is who is your second move? In terms of availability, you may max out at like an Anunoby guy. Does that core take you far enough? I guess part of that is determining what we land in the draft.
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I dont know. Depends on availability, price etc. OG is a high end option but his deal expires after next season and Masai asking price could still be high.

Wouldnt do it without assurances or we possibly just blundered the great situation for a single shot.

If I had to throw out names that might come on the cheap but still complement that trio well Id say Caruso (if Bulls blow up stuff) and Collins.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Assuming the jazz didn’t have the first pick they’d want this years pick.
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Probably but I would tell them no. We’d need the young guys this year to hopefully build up a contender in the next year or two.
 
Dame is great, but I'm really, really skeptical. I wouldn't give up much at all for what might just be a really bad contract. He's had his injury issues the previous years, after all.
 
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