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Dante Exum's "BAD" play is being blown way out of proportion.

part of the heartbreak with dante was the unknown elements of his transition from Australian high school to the NBA. There were many, including some national media guys, saying he'd be a killer instinct star, ala Kobe Bryant with a passing game.

To be fair, to see our #5 pick (frankly, probably our last top 5 pick for the foreseeable future), coming up as one of the worst rotational players in the league SHOULD be disheartening to everyone here. Injuries or not, there are plenty of inexperienced players who manage to provide value. Yes he was hurt for some of it, but the dude has had like 3+ years of watching and studying NBA ball (dont forget his extended pre-draft training/tutoring in cali). He still looks lost and hesitant like 95% of his minutes..
 
It's too bad Exum is worth nothing. I wish we could get a late 1st round pick for him.
 
It is also important to note that following the ACL injury, Exum has clearly lost much of his lateral quickness, and he now struggles to stay in front of his man (he gets beat every other play!). His shot has regressed as well, but that is probably fixable. Overall, he is worse this year than he was as a rookie, despite his improvement driving to the basket (because there was no way to go but up).

When we conducted a poll about Exum's potential during his rookie season, I said his ceiling is a solid starter. Most thought he would be an all-star. Now, I'd be satisfied if he grew into a good backup.
 
jope said:
He still looks lost and hesitant like 95% of his minutes..
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how much resposibility for this is Quin's ? He didn't look so lost and uncertain before his benching and scapegoating. Now he looks stressed out to the max and gets yanked even when he hasn't really done anything wrong. I'm so glad so many minutes such a long leash was given to Mack ... cause that's been so worth it.

But seriously, he was always a long term project. It's just a bummer that the ACL and the trajectory / circumstances of the team has probably meant his development into some thing decent has changed from 3-4 years to more likely 4, 5 or 6 years. He might be better off at another team where he can just go play and not think so damned much like Mudiay has.
 
DownUnder said:
how much resposibility for this is Quin's ? He didn't look so lost and uncertain before his benching and scapegoating. Now he looks stressed out to the max and gets yanked even when he hasn't really done anything wrong. I'm so glad so many minutes such a long leash was given to Mack ... cause that's been so worth it.

But seriously, he was always a long term project. It's just a bummer that the ACL and the trajectory / circumstances of the team has probably meant his development into some thing decent has changed from 3-4 years to more likely 4, 5 or 6 years. He might be better off at another team where he can just go play and not think so damned much like Mudiay has.
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I really don't understand how he hasn't seen any D league time yet. I don't really see any down side to it.
 
fgcamel said:
I really don't understand how he hasn't seen any D league time yet. I don't really see any down side to it.
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completely agree. Really surprised, i think a 2-3 week stint would be much better for him than what he's doing now which is either not helping or making him worse.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'd like to also point out that I too am an Exum homer.

I'd like to say that you have done a masterful job at this post. It has masterfully robbed me of 5 minutes of my life I will never get back. Even the bolded parts basically say it's not his fault and places blame on the rest of the team. Get the **** out with this nonsense!!
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5 miniutes... you obviously didn't watch the film. Glad I went to the effort just for you to ignore it and spew generic drivel.
 
The point I was trying to make is that even though I believe this year is purely recovery and getting him back up to speed, he is actually still doing his job.

The bigger issue for me is the "connectivity" on the defensive end when and combination of Dante, Lyles, Diaw, AB are subbed in. There's no doubt our offense struggles so I have no argument there besides Dante probably being at his lowest point in terms of confidence in his career.
 
elan_prodigy said:
5 miniutes... you obviously didn't watch the film. Glad I went to the effort just for you to ignore it and spew generic drivel.
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nobody is going to watch 2 full game films just to see if some random poster is unbiased. I agree with your point, I agree with your take, but nobody is going to do that.
 
fgcamel said:
I really don't understand how he hasn't seen any D league time yet. I don't really see any down side to it.
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Downside would be if he went to the d league and sucked/got schooled by the scrubs in the d league.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Also, no one want to agree with "this nonsense" but no one has pointed out any errors in my analysis...
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Why would we bother, it's an obviously highly biased review. It's never Exum's fault right? Lack of communication from his teammates, not having full strength in his knee yet? C'mon that is ****ing weak.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but it looks like he is the 2nd worst ever, behind some guy named "Yakhouba Diawara".

https://bkref.com/tiny/3vXYS

Dante will pass him in MP pretty soon anyway. Of course, he could pass "Bob Thornton" in PER if he plays a little better. We should sticky this thread so we can track his progress (regress?). ;-)
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Maybe do an Exum Best Jazz PG of all-time thread similar to the Gobert one? I'm sure it won't be long before he's better than JLIII and Brevin Knight? He could conceivably catch Sundiata Gaines and even Keith McLeod by the time his rookie contract ends.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Why would we bother, it's an obviously highly biased review. It's never Exum's fault right? Lack of communication from his teammates, not having full strength in his knee yet? C'mon that is ****ing weak.
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Exum has yet to play any basketball.
Can't count youth and HS, because, you know, it's a completely different game in Australia. Then he sat out a year. First year with the Jazz? Hey, he was a rookie dealing with culture shock. This season? Nope, can't count it. You need 2 years to recover from an injury. So Dante will really be a rookie next year.
 
Dante is far from the worst PG that I've seen play for the Jazz. I guess you forgot Palousio and Fart -- Fart was by far the worst. His stench still lingers in my memories.
 
MT Steve said:
People ought to stop being overly sensitive to the possibility that Exum is a bust.
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It'd be far more sensible if he just wasn't prematurely labelled a bust or tipped to be an all star for about another year. The worst thing about his ACL is we're no closer to knowing what he's going to be than when he was drafted.
 
It just comes down to the upside for me... what can he realistically become... what is his ceiling.

I think we can safely bury the penny hardaway type comparisons... I'd say a better Ricky Rubio but I think Rubio is a much better passer and floor general than Dante can be... besides the actual Ricky Rubio can be had for a steal.

So what will Dante be and how long until he becomes a player who helps us win? I just think the injury completely threw the timeline off... if he was going to be special I think we'd have some sort of indication.

The worst thing you can do when you make mistakes is double down and stick with the same idea. If there was a trade that would net a first rounder I'd move on... if we can't get anything we may as well wait and see... I just hope DL isn't putting any of his eggs in that basket right now... if he comes around and figures things out it's a bonus imo but I wouldn't really be planning around him at all at this point. Sorry Dante
 
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