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DL is now in a corner here... Favs playing really well... Has talked at length about being a player in FA. We have a few routes to max cap space but they all require losing important stuff. Sometimes if you kick cans down the road you run out of good options and flexibility.

I do wonder if Dante would accept a buyout at $1-2M less than his current deal per year and we can stretch the remaining amount of the deal. He can then pick his next team. We could also move him for a player on a two year deal that is worse but is owed less money... say Chicago wants Dante more than Felicio... can then stretch Felicio's 15M instead of Dante's 19.2M.

I really hope this doesn't give DL more license to run it back because we had some unfortunate things throw kinks in his FA plans. All we are left with is garbage options... unless we can find a really really dumb GM.
 

Wes Mantooth

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DL is now in a corner here... Favs playing really well... Has talked at length about being a player in FA. We have a few routes to max cap space but they all require losing important stuff. Sometimes if you kick cans down the road you run out of good options and flexibility.

I do wonder if Dante would accept a buyout at $1-2M less than his current deal per year and we can stretch the remaining amount of the deal. He can then pick his next team. We could also move him for a player on a two year deal that is worse but is owed less money... say Chicago wants Dante more than Felicio... can then stretch Felicio's 15M instead of Dante's 19.2M.

I really hope this doesn't give DL more license to run it back because we had some unfortunate things throw kinks in his FA plans. All we are left with is garbage options... unless we can find a really really dumb GM.
If we renounce Rubio and dump Exum (Suns?), how much cap room do we have?
 

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If we renounce Rubio and dump Exum (Suns?), how much cap room do we have?
25-26M... Problem is... why the Suns just gonna take him? What else are we giving? DL gonna give a pick to do it (not likely).

We likely just let Favs walk if we pursue space... could also move Crowder or Korver and take nothing back... all three of those guys are contributors. I'm seeing a potentially ugly cakkkk bakkkkking scenario here that is frustrating. All the homer sports writers will say "what do you want him to do... we had no space if we wanted to keep Favs... you want to lose Favs for nothing"

I can also see Dante being included in the potential Kevin Love trade that will happen if DL feels pressure to do "something"
 

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I'm curious if any GM values Dante as a positive. Meaning i think it would cost the jazz to move him.

Hopefully he has met his deductibles and out of pocket maximum so it wont cost the Jazz any more to keep him through December.
 

Wes Mantooth

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25-26M... Problem is... why the Suns just gonna take him? What else are we giving? DL gonna give a pick to do it (not likely).

We likely just let Favs walk if we pursue space... could also move Crowder or Korver and take nothing back... all three of those guys are contributors. I'm seeing a potentially ugly cakkkk bakkkkking scenario here that is frustrating. All the homer sports writers will say "what do you want him to do... we had no space if we wanted to keep Favs... you want to lose Favs for nothing"

I can also see Dante being included in the potential Kevin Love trade that will happen if DL feels pressure to do "something"
No need to do anything with Favors unless we opt out and he re-ups for like 3/39.

If we can move Exum (trade a 2nd too) and I know that’s a big if at this point, and renounce Rubio, and sign Satoransky and Ross, or another bench scorer, would be significant upgrades at this point tonour roster.
 

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I'm curious if any GM values Dante as a positive. Meaning i think it would cost the jazz to move him.

Hopefully he has met his deductibles and out of pocket maximum so it wont cost the Jazz any more to keep him through December.
Some may view him as an okay flier, but I can almost guarantee no GM sees him on his current deal, injured, and never having sustained success as a negative... it's just how negative. With just one year left you might be able to move him without taking back too much bad salary... with a team option or Non-guaranteed third year maybe just into someone's space.

Dante's deal was always gonna be a gamble... We didn't take the necessary precautions to account for this kind of downside. I can't tell you why... look at what Randle got. Young player who had proven more and was unrestricted... two years 17M total with a player option. Joe Harris, Fred Van Vleet, all got similar deals to Randle... so why does Dante get more per year and extra years? Those guys had proven more as NBA players and had less injury concern.

I know DL likely adjusted his restricted free agency strategy because Gordo was not happy with it, but you can negotiate a team friendly deal and if it doesn't work let the guy sit out there for a while. Marcus Smart sat out there forever... was clearly pissy... eventually signed and is having a career year.
 

Wes Mantooth

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And to answer your original question HH, because the Suns might strike out in FA and might are upside in him. With just two years left on his deal, they may see it as worth the minimal risk it entails.
 

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No need to do anything with Favors unless we opt out and he re-ups for like 3/39.

If we can move Exum (trade a 2nd too) and I know that’s a big if at this point, and renounce Rubio, and sign Satoransky and Ross, or another bench scorer, would be significant upgrades at this point tonour roster.
So say we can't move Exum and we opt out of Favors to sign those guys... how much better are we at that point?

If we decide not to guarantee Favs contract he has a caphold until we waive it... we could sign him into space, but you'd need a commitment first... say we don't pick it up and Dallas comes with a 3/45... he walks.

Just saying Dante now costs us something going forward. The sunk costs were bad enough... add this cost to the pile of assets we will throw at the Dante Experiment.
 

Wes Mantooth

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So say we can't move Exum and we opt out of Favors to sign those guys... how much better are we at that point?

If we decide not to guarantee Favs contract he has a caphold until we waive it... we could sign him into space, but you'd need a commitment first... say we don't pick it up and Dallas comes with a 3/45... he walks.

Just saying Dante now costs us something going forward. The sunk costs were bad enough... add this cost to the pile of assets we will throw at the Dante Experiment.
I don’t think Favors walks necessarily. We overpaid him this season and he’s shown loyalty to Utah even if we’ve dangled him in trades time and time again.
 

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And to answer your original question HH, because the Suns might strike out in FA and might are upside in him. With just two years left on his deal, they may see it as worth the minimal risk it entails.
So we can move Dante to clear some space to sign a free agent this offseason after all the free agent's have signed. The timing on the deal makes it tough to go out there with free agent dollars we can use July 1... a deal like that could happen July 10... but at that point it doesn't help... may as well hold at that point and see if he can stay on the court for a month and increase his trade value.
 

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I don’t think Favors walks necessarily. We overpaid him this season and he’s shown loyalty to Utah even if we’ve dangled him in trades time and time again.
He's been loyal, but you said it... we overpaid for one year... he's been loyal to us in part because we paid him more than he was going to find on the open market. Not saying you are wrong, but Favs on a 3/39 shaves like $4M maybe off the cap... maybe gets us to $18ish M in space... not enough to get something great (like we keep hearing... powder dry... yada yada).
 

Wes Mantooth

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So we can move Dante to clear some space to sign a free agent this offseason after all the free agent's have signed. The timing on the deal makes it tough to go out there with free agent dollars we can use July 1... a deal like that could happen July 10... but at that point it doesn't help... may as well hold at that point and see if he can stay on the court for a month and increase his trade value.
There’s always value out there late. That said, the Suns (Igor) may just love him and again see the potential upside.

All it takes is one team.
 

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There’s always value out there late. That said, the Suns (Igor) may just love him and again see the potential upside.

All it takes is one team.
Igor has a ton of pull there... that's why they drafted his guy Doncic... oh wait.

The timing of FA mean this Dante thing will limit us in some capacity. Honestly our best option might be moving Dante with Favs (guarantee his contract) and move him for Love... we'd likely retain Ricky at that point... operate over the cap and it would give us the full MLE to work with.
 

Wes Mantooth

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Igor has a ton of pull there... that's why they drafted his guy Doncic... oh wait.

The timing of FA mean this Dante thing will limit us in some capacity. Honestly our best option might be moving Dante with Favs (guarantee his contract) and move him for Love... we'd likely retain Ricky at that point... operate over the cap and it would give us the full MLE to work with.
**** Love. No ****ing way.
 

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**** Love. No ****ing way.
I'm not a fan... I just wonder if DL viewed this summer as the all in summer... now his options are limited... tough to run it back and just switch out Ricky for a $14-15M addition and declare a big victory.

Maybe one of the big FA commits to us and we can decline Favs and still come out okay...
 

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Sounds like he's out until training camp. "The treatment of partial patellar tendon tear is immobilization in full knee extension for 3 to 6 weeks in a cylinder cast. For partial patellar tendon tear maintenance of patellar height, cast or brace immobilization in full extension for 6 weeks followed by a therapy program to regain motion and strength may be appropriate. Progress must be slow to allow for tendon-to-bone healing. Strengthening exercises should be delayed for at least 3 months. You should go for the conservative treatment as surgical repair is done for complete ruptures. "
 
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