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Darft Jimmer Fredette.

Have you watched him this year? He's not a SG. He was early on in College, but hasn't been since his sophomore year. He's made himself into a PG this year.

He's a great PG in college. But as VSlice said he is a scoring PG and that is not what the Jazz require to run their team. They need PG's who can score and shoot but also can run an offense. Price's biggest problem as a PG for Utah is that he can't run an offense and Jimmer would have some of the same problems. Especially since I don't believe he is fast enough or good enough with the ball to get by most NBA starting PG's. He can shoot, I have acknowledged that. That is just not the most important skill for a PG in the Jazz's system.
 
I can understand some of your points, but he can get his shot off against ANYONE. I mean, just look at his elevation and tell me that he won't be able to at least shoot in the NBA.

I don't see that as NBA caliber elevation. That's why I brought up Price. He could jump over just about anyone in college too. These things have a way of being muted the day the player steps on NBA hardwood. Price has NBA caliber hops. Fredette isn't close to Price.
 
I think Jimmer has a little of Eddie House mixed in with a little Steve Nash. He's definitely a first round pick and will probably have a good NBA career.
 
He's a great PG in college. But as VSlice said he is a scoring PG and that is not what the Jazz require to run their team. They need PG's who can score and shoot but also can run an offense. Price's biggest problem as a PG for Utah is that he can't run an offense and Jimmer would have some of the same problems. Especially since I don't believe he is fast enough or good enough with the ball to get by most NBA starting PG's. He can shoot, I have acknowledged that. That is just not the most important skill for a PG in the Jazz's system.

Wasn't that a knock on D-Will. He's too chubby, and not quick enough to play the faster PG's. Was Stockton fast? I'm not saying he will be like either of them, but I'm saying it's possible to succeed with enough work ethic and willpower. His hops are enough, he creates space in a smart way, and he is a better passer than he gets credit for. He's not the best, but good enough at it. It also helps in the NBA to have 4 other people that are finishers, as opposed to what you get in the college game. I think Jimmer will be a good role player in the NBA.... but I also think with his drive, and that look in his eye... competitive nature... he has a shot of being something special even in the NBA.
 
So how do the Jazz not have a 1st round pick this year?
All the sites I've checked show they do.
If Memphis somehow makes the playoffs we get their first.
 
So how do the Jazz not have a 1st round pick this year?
All the sites I've checked show they do.
If Memphis somehow makes the playoffs we get their first.
You're forgetting about the Al Jefferson trade. As long as the Jazz finish above the bottom-16 teams in the league, Minnesota receives Utah's pick. In the unlikely event that doesn't happen, next year it becomes a lottery protected pick and protection continues to drop until 2014-15. The Grizzlies' pick (from the Ronnie Brewer trade) is Minnesota's as well. It's possible the Jazz won't have any picks as a protected 2nd-rounder was sent to Chicago in exchange for the Boozer Trade Exception.
 
Thought some of you might like this. The article has other links and video, but I put the text of the article below.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/570367-2011-nba-draft-byus-jimmer-fredette-may-be-the-best-point-guard-in-the-ncaa


Jimmer Fredette went off for 47 points against the Utah Utes last night. It marked the third time Fredette has put up over 40 points in a single game during his fantastic career at BYU, and the 12th time he's gone over 30.

This year alone, he's eclipsed 20 points in 14 of his 18 games, and he's currently leading the nation in scoring at 26.1 points per game. He's shooting 48 percent from the field, 41 percent from three-point range and 90 percent from the free throw line.

However, scoring isn't all Jimmer can do. At 4.4 assists per game, he leads his team and is fourth in that category in the Mountain West Conference.

Anyone who has watched Jimmer play in the last couple years (and especially this year), knows that he has superb ball-handling skills and a very deep repertoire of offensive moves that he uses to not only get open for jump shots, but to get to the rim as well.

So why is Fredette not getting much attention, and why do the "experts" still project him to be, at best, a late second-round draft pick? Why does ESPN's NBA Draft "guru" Chad Ford have Jimmer ranked as the 48th best prospect?

There are two very basic reasons. The first is the fact that he plays in the Mountain West Conference for a team that gets little national exposure. The second is the same issue that every white, American guard has to deal with: They're automatically dismissed because they're said to lack athleticism and quickness.



Playing for BYU

Even though this team has been to the NCAA Tournament in each of the last four years and is currently ranked 10th in the nation, its still a rarity to see them on national television. Even as a resident of Wyoming, I'm not guaranteed a lot of exposure to the Cougars.

Last night, I received a text message from my brother that read, "Jimmer Fredette has 32 points after one half of play?!" I didn't even know the game was being broadcast on a local station called The MountainWest Sports Network (which isn't even available to basic cable subscribers in my area).

I watched the second half of the game and actually thought he looked a bit off. Then, by the end of the game I realized he had still scored 15 points in that half and ended the game with 47.

I've seen Jimmer play several times, and if basketball fans all over the country had the opportunity to watch him play as much as I have, they'd know what I know: He's without a doubt one of the best players in the country.



Playing with a Stigma

Every time a white, American basketball player enters the national basketball conversation, he's instantly tagged as a prospect that lacks quickness and lateral quickness. In fact, those two things are exactly what ESPN's Chad Ford lists as Fredette's weaknesses.

I have no doubt that Ford has not seen as much footage of Fredette as he has of other prospects he has ranked ahead of him. Fredette has weaknesses, but those certainly aren't his biggest ones. Try telling Utah's 6'7" Will Clyburn that Fredette lacks lateral quickness. Even with his length and athleticism, he could not stay in front of Jimmer on defense.

There may not be another player in the country that possesses as much scoring ability as Fredette, but all we'll hear about him leading up to the draft is the same old argument: no athleticism or lateral quickness.

Even if Jimmer does get drafted, it will be extremely difficult for him to escape the stigma. Just ask J.J. Redick and Tyler Hansbrough.

Two of the greatest scorers in the history of the celebrated Atlantic Coast Conference, both have struggled more than players with their talent should for playing time.

Redick wasn't played for 15 minutes per game until his third season and didn't get 20 minutes per game until his fourth year. This despite averaging nearly 15 points per 36 minutes over his career, while shooting 40 percent from three-point range.

We were told that Redick couldn't get on the floor in his first few years because he couldn't defend at this level (because he lacked athleticism and lateral quickness, of course). However, if you watch any footage from Redick's early years, it's clear that he worked hard on defense and stayed in front of his man as well as most NBA shooting guards.


Ethan Miller/Getty Images As for Tyler Hansbrough, he's averaging less than 15 minutes per game this year. He was recently inserted into the starting lineup for Indiana, and he's showing that he should have been given that role long ago. He's started the last three games. During those contests, he's averaged 15 points and 8.7 rebounds in 28 minutes per game.

Both Redick and Hansbrough were seen as draft mistakes by many because they (you guessed it) lacked athleticism and lateral quickness.

Fredette will almost certainly face many of the same challenges.



Nation's Best Point Guard

Regarding the title of this article: I don't think it's a stretch to say Fredette may be the nation's top point guard. As I mentioned before, he leads the country in scoring, and he leads his team in assists.

His average of 4.4 assists per game sounds good, but not great. However, you can't take that number at face value. NBA rules make it easier to collect assists, because players receiving the pass are allowed to do more before scoring than they are in the NCAA for it to still qualify as an assist.

Also, if Fredette played for a team with more scoring options, his points would be down, but his assists would be up. He just happens to be in a situation and system that displays his scoring ability more than his distributing ability.

Does Jimmer Fredette Have What It Takes To Be an Impact Player in the NBA?
Yes
91.7%
No
8.3%
Total votes: 373
To really get a feel for how good Jimmer's ballhandling, passing and floor vision are, you have to watch some BYU games. Those of you who haven't seen him, you'll get your chance in March.



His Future

With each huge game, Fredette is slowly but surely improving his draft stock. I expect him to continue to dominate as BYU enters conference play and eventually the NCAA Tournament. Once there, some national attention should finally come his way.

BYU will need to win a game or two in the tournament to really get the kind of exposure Jimmer needs. With the way this team is playing right now, don't be surprised if they do that, and maybe even more.

I feel that Fredette not only has what it takes to be in the NBA, but to be an impact player as well. I've even gone so far as to compare him to Steve Nash.

Others feel his game reminds them of Stephen Curry. Even Curry himself has talked about Fredette and feels he can compete at the next level.

He has the shooting, ball-handling and passing skills to be very productive in the NBA. Just ask his brother TJ Fredette.
 
You're forgetting about the Al Jefferson trade. As long as the Jazz finish above the bottom-16 teams in the league, Minnesota receives Utah's pick. In the unlikely event that doesn't happen, next year it becomes a lottery protected pick and protection continues to drop until 2014-15. The Grizzlies' pick (from the Ronnie Brewer trade) is Minnesota's as well. It's possible the Jazz won't have any picks as a protected 2nd-rounder was sent to Chicago in exchange for the Boozer Trade Exception.

Thanks,
I wasn't sure which draft picks went to Minnesota.
nbadraft.net and one other site didn't have them on there.
Good to know.
 
Can Jimmer run an NBA offense? No.

Wll Jimmer be able to score easily in the NBA? No.

Is Jimmer athletic? No.

Is Jimmer just another Adam Morrison, Mcnamara, Jaycee Carroll? Yes.

Every college season there has to be one amazing white kid who can score tons of points but never makes it in the NBA. Jimmer just follows that outstanding tradition and he will be forgotten in 3-5 years like the rest of them.

I hope he plays well in Turkey.
 
Can Jimmer run an NBA offense? No.

Wll Jimmer be able to score easily in the NBA? No.

Is Jimmer athletic? No.

Is Jimmer just another Adam Morrison, Mcnamara, Jaycee Carroll? Yes.

Every college season there has to be one amazing white kid who can score tons of points but never makes it in the NBA. Jimmer just follows that outstanding tradition and he will be forgotten in 3-5 years like the rest of them.

I hope he plays well in Turkey.

Why would anything you think be absolute? You know, because you're such a genius and such.

Also, it has nothing to do with the color of the skin. In the past 6 or so years, there's been 3 white MVPs in the NBA. One that was told multiple times he wouldn't do anything in the NBA.
 
Can Jimmer run an NBA offense? No.

Wll Jimmer be able to score easily in the NBA? No.

Is Jimmer athletic? No.

Is Jimmer just another Adam Morrison, Mcnamara, Jaycee Carroll? Yes.

Every college season there has to be one amazing white kid who can score tons of points but never makes it in the NBA. Jimmer just follows that outstanding tradition and he will be forgotten in 3-5 years like the rest of them.

I hope he plays well in Turkey.

I'm rooting for you to break the rules one too many times. I wouldn't mind a rule change or two that goes unnoticed by you to help get this done.
 
You're joking.

Yes... and no.
I hesitate to compare him in any way to John "James Naismith" Stockton..... but I wanted to compare Jimmer to someone about the same size, that people around here know about. Being a good basketball player takes talent, but it also takes drive. There have been many players with tons of talent that sucked in the NBA. There have also been plenty of good NBA players that are a little lacking in the "athleticism" department.
My point... you don't have to be Blake Griffin athletically to be a good NBA player... but yes, it does help.
 
Yes... and no.
I hesitate to compare him in any way to John "James Naismith" Stockton..... but I wanted to compare Jimmer to someone about the same size, that people around here know about. Being a good basketball player takes talent, but it also takes drive. There have been many players with tons of talent that sucked in the NBA. There have also been plenty of good NBA players that are a little lacking in the "athleticism" department.
My point... you don't have to be Blake Griffin athletically to be a good NBA player... but yes, it does help.
I guess I wasn't clear. Stockton was really fast. Just because he's white doesn't mean he wasn't athletic (even though he's the exception that proves the rule with American-born white players).

I like Jimmer Fredette, but he's not anything resembling fast. There are other things that matter, too, but his speed (or lack thereof) will be something he will have to work to overcome.
 
Why would anything you think be absolute? You know, because you're such a genius and such.

Also, it has nothing to do with the color of the skin. In the past 6 or so years, there's been 3 white MVPs in the NBA. One that was told multiple times he wouldn't do anything in the NBA.


Steve Nash is a freak and a one in a million player. Just like Stockton and Kidd. Again how many white college guards have been worth a pick in the draft the last 10 years?

The only good non African American guards have been European.
 
Steve Nash is a freak and a one in a million player. Just like Stockton and Kidd. Again how many white college guards have been worth a pick in the draft the last 10 years?

The only good non African American guards have been European.

Skin color doesn't matter if you can play, guy.
 
I'm rooting for you to break the rules one too many times. I wouldn't mind a rule change or two that goes unnoticed by you to help get this done.

I have no idea who you are so I find it a bit odd that I am so involved in your thoughts.
 
I guess I wasn't clear. Stockton was really fast. Just because he's white doesn't mean he wasn't athletic (even though he's the exception that proves the rule with American-born white players).

I like Jimmer Fredette, but he's not anything resembling fast. There are other things that matter, too, but his speed (or lack thereof) will be something he will have to work to overcome.

I disagree, and I think when people are gone, our fond memories of them get exaggerated.
I don't think Stockton was fast like people talk about it these days. I think he was very smart, and was always in the right place, and took all the right angles... but he was not fast. I think Jimmer is close to as "fast" as Stock was. There is so much more to the game than being "fast", or "athletic".
There are more ways to get an open shot than speed.

I think Jimmer's main weakness that will hurt him is his defense. I think he gets alot of help from his team, and that his lateral quickness leaves something to be desired... which doesn't hurt him offensively. He doesn't always use the right angles... but I don't know how much of that is their defensive scheme to keep the guards up top, and how much is just him.

Basically, we will have to disagree on the Stockton being fast idea. You say yes... I say no. Whatever.
 
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