mellow
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You may be right, but I felt certain the Jazz were moving him last season, before he got injured again.
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You may be right, but I felt certain the Jazz were moving him last season, before he got injured again.
Coach Ellis
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Love Alec Burks, but if he's not a good fit, then you consider moving him. I'd say that he's one of the better trade chips in the NBA at the deadline this year if he's healthy.
I'd personally like to see how he does in the 6th man role with better talent on the court with him than he's had in the past. Last year, in that role, I thought he looked really good before breaking his leg. And he was doing it while playing a lot of minutes with Neto/Burke at PG, Booker and a VERY RAW Trey Lyles. This year, he'll have a starting caliber, defensive minded PG (Exum or Hill - doesn't matter), JJ, Diaw and a much improved Trey Lyles. I think that he can thrive if he stays healthy.
Regardless, with his ability and his contract. . . there is value.
I'd personally like to see how he does in the 6th man role with better talent on the court with him than he's had in the past. Last year, in that role, I thought he looked really good before breaking his leg. And he was doing it while playing a lot of minutes with Neto/Burke at PG, Booker and a VERY RAW Trey Lyles. This year, he'll have a starting caliber, defensive minded PG (Exum or Hill - doesn't matter), JJ, Diaw and a much improved Trey Lyles. I think that he can thrive if he stays healthy.
Regardless, with his ability and his contract. . . there is value.
Stifle Tower
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It's laughable to say Ingles > Burks. Isn't Alec the offensive player we want Dante to become - namely a guy who can hit the 3 or can penetrate and break down the defense? Even if he misses at the rim, he draws the defense and gives Rudy a chance at the rebound and put back.
NAOS
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this. word-for-word.
No. I believe the Jazz would prefer Dante to be much more efficient and be better than average defensively.
Glad you are so jovial, but since no one is saying that, what is the source of your laughter?
Of course, but will he ever reach this 'potential'? It's been season after season of the same thing. Eventually you may have to just give up.
He's also a guy who I believe will be valued much lower once statistics become more advanced in basketball. He's still a dude that's primarily judged by how well he is doing by the old-fashioned PPG stat. He does this well, but with his high usage rate and inefficiency, is he a guy that a team should be comfortable giving that many possessions to? Are those points he gets better off trying to be manufactured in some other way? It's up for debate. And, of course, his defense is underwhelming.
He's really athletic tho and does a lot of stuff other players on the team can't physically do. That's cool.
Maybe then by the end of his contract he'll have had enough time, and if he's the same player then he won't be re-signed and he'll walk for NOTHING!!!
Stifle Tower
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IMO, this is nothing more than Locke, a Jazz employee, taking the slant the ownership and front office want him to take. Jazz can't keep Alec beyond his contract. Just do the math: Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Hood, Exum and Lyles will likely put Utah very close to, if not over, the tax threshold. It's probable one of those six may even need to go. It also means the rest of the team has to be comprised of rookies and vet minimum players.
Jazz made their choice of Hood over Burks (and I agree). But I wish Utah would build a player up ( to increase trade value), instead of ripping him apart to justify to the fans and create a false reason to trade him.
Jazz made their choice of Hood over Burks (and I agree). But I wish Utah would build a player up ( to increase trade value), instead of ripping him apart to justify to the fans and create a false reason to trade him.
NAOS
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this is hardly a part of a campaign to "rip up" Alec. Lol.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Locke did by saying Jingles could get minutes over Burks. What was Burks' 3pt % last season. Granted his efficiency around the rim took a big dip, but he could barely raise his arm. Take his 3pt % last year and his penetration and finishing from the season before: that's a helluva good player, better than Jingles ever was even in his prime.
Stifle Tower
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Locke has often formed an opinion of a certain player and then cherry-picked stats to support his opinion. He's hardly an independent analyst. There aren't any in the Salt Lake market.
NAOS
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and yet... this isn't such a campaign.
And you're cherry-picking his 3pt% from last 'less-than-half-a' season. Why are you ignoring his 2pt%, EFG% and TS%?
akirac73
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I know we're all happy that Hayward has become bigger & stronger, but I'm kinda/sorta starting to get a little suspicious of Hayward's rapid physical growth... From what he looked like as a rookie until now, the changes in his physique remind me of how Barry Bonds went from a skinny lanky kid to a bulked up monster. Those kinds of massive changes usually don't come without some sort of chemical "assistance". I hope I'm wrong because the NBA suspends a player that tests positive for HGH 20 games (1st offense), 45 games (2nd offense) and lifetime ban from the NBA on the 3rd offense.
Yeah Locke is starting a rip campaign on a player we have under contract for 3 more years.
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I'm not concerned at all. Besides that the side-effects to PED use are vastly overblown and I don't think Hayward is using anything illegal, the NBA has a long tradition of doing everything it can to do as little as it can about the issue. Usage appears rampant, and flagrantly so, but how many players have gotten busted over the last five years? Any of them very good? No.
And a player he adored out of the draft.