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David Locke toasts Kanter on 1280

Even so.
Burks never started and played behind worse players than enes in his first three years and probably played less total minutes (even though he played behind crappier players....... I could be wrong about who played less minutes but I feel like it was Burks due to all the dnp's his first two years) than kanter.

You are right, Burks did play behind worse players. That was messed up for sure. But, Alec played more minutes than Enes. Alec played 4269 his first three seasons, and Enes played 4150. Only a difference of 119, but still..


Don't really matter though. Burks got screwed over his first 3 years.... never bitched..... seems to have a good relationship with his teammates..... likes the city and fans..... gave it his best effort during games...... and accepted a good reasonable contract extension.

Burks did too bitch. There is also nothing wrong with a player saying they should play more. That's what you want. You don't want a player who is fine with DNP's and sporadic minutes. You especially don't want that from your lottery picks, or else they end up like Marvin Williams: #2 overall selected who was always content with being a rotation player despite his talent.

Difference is, Burks was relied upon and given a clear role in his third year. He didn't start, but he was given the keys to the second unit. He signed his contract extension because it is what he and his agent felt comfortable with, not to give us a break. I guarantee that.

Kanter got screwed over his first 3 years.... apparently bitched about stuff..... teammates seem to have not liked him.... didn't like the city, organisation, or fans.... didn't try his hardest during games.... and thought he was a max money dude.

Yeah, Kanter bitched, and took it too far. He said he talked with Alec Burks during halftime of the OKC game, and that they exchanged texts. I think he is also friendly with Favors. If you listen to Rudy's recent interview on the Big Show, he doesn't seem too upset with Enes either. Fans turned on Enes, as did the media post trade. A lot had done it sooner because they wanted Rudy to start, or they bought into the scapegoating last year. If you're 22, I'm sure that hurts. He's a ****ing punk, for sure.

Why do you fault him for thinking he's a max money dude? I want all of our lottery picks to feel that way until they're proven wrong. Their rookie contract is the time to prove that, and as you have already agreed, he was toyed with during this time frame and had proven players in front of him limiting his minutes. Maybe we thought he wasn't ready, maybe hwe thought he didn't fit right, and maybe we were trying to get a bargain. Whatever it was, it was a situation that tried to contain him.

If you listen to his "I know I didn't bring it every night," it could also be interpreted as "I know I wasn't consistent... but I was developing with a lot of potential so they still should have played me." He is Turkish, dude. English is his second language. His syntax is almost never right, so what makes you think he chose the right words with that sentence? It'd be a pretty stupid thing to say, don't you think?

As for the organization, he didn't say we were bad. He never said we are a bad organization. He said he was frustrated here. He said he still respects his coaches and teammates, etc. He said he his happier in OKC and it is like a dream he doesn't want to wake up from. It was OUR media who insinuated Utah was like a nightmare, to which he emphatically said no "No! I didn't say that." Then our media asked him what has impressed him about OKC and he started talking about their professionalism, his new teammates, and how awesome Westbrook is. He did say he never had a point guard before, which is harsh, but everyone here knows it is true. He also said the only thing he misses is the mountains. Childish for sure.

After the game he said OKC shouldn't be dropping games to teams not in the playoff race, which is a true statement. They are fighting for their playoff lives right now. People got way too butthurt over that comment.


Oh, and asked for a trade.
**** him

Yes he did. He saw the writing on the wall. It was being written in bold letters. Grantland and Pelton were travelling with the team and writing pieces on why Gobert should start. The NY game. The Dallas game. etc. We created a mess by signing Book (who is another player who bitched to management about his minutes), etc. and not accounting for Gobert's emergence.
 
Jazz management toyed with Kanter somehow...they claim they did all their best to make him happy but I didn't notice much support to his game when he was on the court.

Only in Bizarro world is it the team's job to support the player on the court. In the real world, it's the player's job to support the team on the court. Seriously... the team's job is to WIN GAMES. Or possibly, taking a longer view, to prepare to win games in the future. Not to help a player further his goals.
 
Yes he did. He saw the writing on the wall. It was being written in bold letters. Grantland and Pelton were travelling with the team and writing pieces on why Gobert should start. The NY game. The Dallas game. etc. We created a mess by signing Book (who is another player who bitched to management about his minutes), etc. and not accounting for Gobert's emergence.
So we should only have three bigs on the roster? And when one goes down, we throw a wing over at the 4?
I agree Utah didn't see Gobert emerging quite as fast as he did. Not sure you "account" for something like that, though. You assemble the best roster you can and let players compete for their roles. Ultimately, some will develop faster than others and some may not develop at all. It's ALWAYS a GREAT problem to have when you have a pretty good player on the team beaten out by an even better one (think Stockton over Green, or the Jazz letting Dantley go so Malone could be the alpha male). Or even replacing Jeff Malone with Hornacek.

I like Burks, Booker, Hood and Exum. But if Lindsey can push those players down in the rotation because he gets someone even better, I'm all for it. And that was the case with Kanter. Enes DID have a DEFINED role in his 3rd and 4th seasons. He was a starter. But he failed to keep that role last year due to his terrible defense. Even at that, his minutes didn't decrease. And the Jazz gave him another shot to start this year. Again, his defense was only marginally better.
 
Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Exum, Booker and Hood are all happy and flourishing. Team is growing and thriving right before our eyes.

Could things have been done differently? Sure but what was done worked. It worked. Look at the team.

Good job DL and Snyder.

/thread
 
Yes he did. He saw the writing on the wall. It was being written in bold letters. Grantland and Pelton were travelling with the team and writing pieces on why Gobert should start. The NY game. The Dallas game. etc. We created a mess by signing Book (who is another player who bitched to management about his minutes), etc. and not accounting for Gobert's emergence.

Source?
 
So we should only have three bigs on the roster? And when one goes down, we throw a wing over at the 4?
I agree Utah didn't see Gobert emerging quite as fast as he did. Not sure you "account" for something like that, though. You assemble the best roster you can and let players compete for their roles. Ultimately, some will develop faster than others and some may not develop at all. It's ALWAYS a GREAT problem to have when you have a pretty good player on the team beaten out by an even better one (think Stockton over Green, or the Jazz letting Dantley go so Malone could be the alpha male). Or even replacing Jeff Malone with Hornacek.

I like Burks, Booker, Hood and Exum. But if Lindsey can push those players down in the rotation because he gets someone even better, I'm all for it. And that was the case with Kanter. Enes DID have a DEFINED role in his 3rd and 4th seasons. He was a starter. But he failed to keep that role last year due to his terrible defense. Even at that, his minutes didn't decrease. And the Jazz gave him another shot to start this year. Again, his defense was only marginally better.

I agree. Signing Booker was good for Kanter. We signed a guy that is a role player, and could be cut at any second. The front office basically told Kanter, out play this scrub. That's all we want you to do. And he couldn't do it. Granted Booker was underrated coming in, but he is someone that a max player, as Kanter thinks he is, should be able to easily out play.
 
Very lucky to have kept Hayward who was ready to split.
Hayward was a matter of force. He had no choice.

I'm sure he was really disappointed not to play for the hornets. Hayward was just going through the motions of getting the best contract possible. It was purely business FFS, not Hayward trying to leave. Stop reaching.
 
I'm sure he was really disappointed not to play for the hornets. Hayward was just going through the motions of getting the best contract possible. It was purely business FFS, not Hayward trying to leave. Stop reaching.

He plays like a guy that is forced to be here. (sarcastic font)
 
looks like this comment ready for a bump. ****ing hell.

lol, why is he dumb? Because he presents a contrarian viewpoint?

His opinions are well-reasoned, and as far as I've seen he presented his arguments very civilly. I've only seen him react hostilely when others insult him first. I might not agree with some of his viewpoints, but at the same time talking to him has helped widen my perspective and I think such discussions in general are very healthy.
 
lol, why is he dumb? Because he presents a contrarian viewpoint?

His opinions are well-reasoned, and as far as I've seen he presented his arguments very civilly. I've only seen him react hostilely when others insult him first. I might not agree with some of his viewpoints, but at the same time talking to him has helped widen my perspective and I think such discussions in general are very healthy.
Ya, I agree with ya
 
Just because someone can execute a reasoned argument (whether it be civilly, angrily, happily, pharmaceutically... is beside the point) doesn't mean they aren't dumb. People talk/reason themselves into stupid things all the time.

All signs point to the fact that SF was 90+% wrong about Kanter. And instead of owning up to anything he's been spinning out 'conspiracy-theory-level' detritus and trying to get other posters to own up to things they never said. Yeah, sounds valuable to perspective.
 
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