Dear Fat People

[One Brow]

How many beers you needed to force yourself upon something like that?

None, she's an attractive young lady.

However, if your real-life persona is anything like your on-line persona, I might need a drink just to avoid spitting in your face.

 

[VINYLONE]

I might need a drink just to avoid spitting in your face.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Tell me why you don't...

I have maybe 50 posts on this topic, probably in this thread alone. Take a read.


How's this for an answer: placing the blame on parents for their fat children will be as successful in solving the obesity pandemic as it has been up until this point in time.

Now, a couple of questions: is America home to the worst parents in the developed world? Why the inflated rates here vs. elsewhere? Are Canadians generally better parents? Germans? The English?

Placing the blame squarely on individuals, and ignoring systemic, societal factors is incredibly naive, foolish, and the precise reason why America has this epidemic in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 848]

tl;dr nothing is more rich than ppl individualizing and depoliticizing obesity. Commonly done via genetic and/or parental arguments. A simple comparison across time and nations easily deconstructs this moronic argument.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I too would like to hear this.

There are obvious exceptions for why some people are larger than others, but by and large, we have absolved people of personal accountability. I mean, why blame ourselves when we can blame our bosses for not paying us enough, the politicians for not giving us enough, and capitalism for ensuring that our food is no longer healthy? It's all somebody else's fault, not mine!

ah of course- the typical neoconservative drivel. Look, we can either wait and expect an entire nation of fat people to suddenly undertake incredible efforts to cumulatively shed their weight through shaming (and we have decades of evidence proving the effectivity of this approach) or we can do what other nations do.

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's absolutely comical that people think that all it will take is a country figuring out that other people aren't responsible for their own weight gain, or that we need to stop fat-acceptance, in order to end the obesity epidemic. But again, it's this sort of mindset that has established the problem.

 

[RandyForRubio]

ah of course- the typical neoconservative drivel. Look, we can either wait and expect an entire nation of fat people to suddenly undertake incredible efforts to cumulatively shed their weight through shaming (and we have decades of evidence proving the effectivity of this approach) or we can do what other nations do.

You're implying a lot, per usual. Was I talking about shaming? Did I mention it? Nope. I just want people to be responsible. Hell, I'm a little chunky, you know whose fault it is? It's mine. I like to eat. I know what's healthy and what isn't, I know I should work out, but those are choices I make.

Would you be happy with a parent that let's their kids smoke at a young age? Of course not. So why should we abstain parents from the blame of obesity. It's certainly more difficult to eat healthier/less, one might actually have to cook! But it is still a choice, and we're still responsible for our choices and the impacts they make on the people around us.

 

[MVP]

None, she's an attractive young lady.

well, I guess we should not be arguing about taste when it comes to women...but I personally can't understand how such an obese and unhealthy person can be attractive. All I can feel looking at people like that is sympathy for their unhealthy bodies trapped behind slabs of fat.

 

[MVP]

However, if your real-life persona is anything like your on-line persona, I might need a drink just to avoid spitting in your face.

Its sad you feel that way. I am very nice person in real life. Don't like sugarcoating things and be politically correct though, so if you do not like honesty then I get it. We have saying in my homeland - bitter truth is better then sweet lie. I try to stick to it no matter how much it can hurt somebody.

 

[Deleted member 848]

You're implying a lot, per usual. Was I talking about shaming? Did I mention it? Nope. I just want people to be responsible. Hell, I'm a little chunky, you know whose fault it is? It's mine. I like to eat. I know what's healthy and what isn't, I know I should work out, but those are choices I make.

Would you be happy with a parent that let's their kids smoke at a young age? Of course not. So why should we abstain parents from the blame of obesity. It's certainly more difficult to eat healthier/less, one might actually have to cook! But it is still a choice, and we're still responsible for our choices and the impacts they make on the people around us.

1) who said I'm implying that youre the one who is shaming? I am firmly proposing that that has been the main social response to obesity. And you're wrong if you don't think so

2) I absolutely love that you brought up the smoking example. Look. It wasn't until the government undertook regulating actions, that smoking became dramatically less accessible, more firmly stigmatized, and rates dropped everywhere. AKA the government actually did a fantastic job with it (I know some in your circle enjoy characterizing the institution as wholly inept)

 

[Deleted member 848]

Its sad you feel that way. I am very nice person in real life. Don't like sugarcoating things and be politically correct though, so if you do not like honesty then I get it. We have saying in my homeland - bitter truth is better then sweet lie. I try to stick to it no matter how much it can hurt somebody.

this is some stupid **** dude. You're embarrassing yourself. Who gives a **** if anyone doesn't conform to a societally-constructed beauty norm? Our women have it so much ****ing worse than you (who's probably the typical Euro with male-pattern baldness and dry flaky skin).


We need to be acceptant of a variety of different body shapes. Along with that, we need to attach obesity, which requires undertaking a societal effort and confronting social determinants of obesity.

 

[One Brow]

well, I guess we should not be arguing about taste when it comes to women...but I personally can't understand how such an obese and unhealthy person can be attractive. All I can feel looking at people like that is sympathy for their unhealthy bodies trapped behind slabs of fat.

Let's be clear: 1000 years ago women of that size were considered more attractive than the skinny women. The reality is that neither is inherently better looking; this is conditioning foisted upon by society/mass media. Once you know that, you can continue to buy into it or you can make a decision to reject it.