Dennis Lindsey feels he owes Richard Jefferson a lot

[Diamond77]

There is nothing to exult for the RJ resurrection.

We want a team that can become a contender in few years, not a team that makes charity!

 

[The Thriller]

I'm glad that DL gets warm fuzzies from resurrecting aging vet careers.

Maybe once RJ and Marvin sign with other teams this summer DL can get to the business of resurrecting the Jazz franchise?

Or will no one care by that point? Will he even have a job? Will the franchise still be here?

All I know is that I've never seen so many empty green seats. The loss of Hayward this summer and the addition of a rookie role player means that we will be stuck in the lottery for another season next year. I'm sure that will light ticket sales on fire...

I can see it now... The next time we are actually relevant will be around 2020.

"Jazz Nation, on your feet! We are shooting for the 8th seed! Favors and Burke are finally surrounded with talent! Stockton and Malone's grandchildren have infused our team with the talent necessary to maybe win 1 game against 50 year old Duncan and the Spurs! Buy 2 home games and receive a crappy Papa Johns pizza! Come join us! Boler has finally learned what a skip pass is and Harpring (did you know he used to play football?) no longer needs a haircut because he's bald!"

 

[Crawlnstall]

I heard on a local sports radio show that burks agent had told DL that burks was upset that he was not starting.

This was early in the year so maybe things have changed but he was in fact upset about his role this season.

I bet he was pissed the other night when jeffy got 40 minutes and closed out the game in charlotte despite burks playing well. (Pure speculation on my part)

I know I was pissed. (I was at that game btw)

I was at that game too. My wife and I were unbelievably pissed at Burks' minutes. When Hayward was taken out of the game for bogus fouls, Burks was the guy that kept us in the game. He was even passing the ball well, Favors just kept turning it over. I completley understand why Burks is pissed about his role. I'm pissed about his role, He is screaming potential. But Jefferson is a vet and that 'leadership' is always worth it. Even if the leadership gets your 5-9 points as opposed to Burk's 16-20

 

[Notes]

Wow, that is a very disturbing quote. I would be ok with giving RJ 8-12 mpg, and that is more than what's "owed" to him (WTF??). Isn't this the same guy that came right out and blatantly said he's ditching SLC at first crack of dawn to go championship hunting??

This all makes me wonder... are we really focused on building for the future or are we more preoccupied with resurrecting careers of washed up hacks? Because over the course of the last few years, this organization has shown they're more worried about making mediocre vets happy than developing the youth and future of the franchise. I thought that was all a byproduct of KOC/Corbin incompetence, but it appears that DL is either fully onboard or is nothing more than KOC's puppet.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I heard Darko Milicic is having some troubles in the league. Maybe DL can bring him in and resurrect his career!!!!!!! Who need a youth movement we could be the last hoorah movement! The one foot in a grave movement!!!! The I though I was done since I couldn't even sniff the court on a horrible team movement!!!!!

[video=youtube_share;KuCA7gZXExE]https://youtu.be/KuCA7gZXExE

 

[The Thriller]

Wow, that is a very disturbing quote. I would be ok with giving RJ 8-12 mpg, and that is more than what's "owed" to him (WTF??). Isn't this the same guy that came right out and blatantly said he's ditching SLC at first crack of dawn to go championship hunting??

This all makes me wonder... are we really focused on building for the future or are we more preoccupied with resurrecting careers of washed up hacks? Because over the course of the last few years, this organization has shown they're more worried about making mediocre vets happy than developing the youth and future of the franchise. I thought that was all a byproduct of KOC/Corbin incompetence, but it appears that DL is either fully onboard or is nothing more than KOC's puppet.

Perhaps our franchise is more concerned with churning a profit?

 

[Qman]

I wonder how much of this is related to building agent relationships?

I think the answer is a lot.

 

[kabenac]

It would be interesting to learn if Jefferson is sharing his knowledge with the younger guys. A guy like Jefferson could teach the younger guys a lot about the game.

 

[One Brow]

I wonder how much of this is related to building agent relationships?

I think the answer is a lot.

There's also developing a reputation for being a desirable place for free agent veterans to sign.

 

[Coach Ellis]

It would be interesting to learn if Jefferson is sharing his knowledge with the younger guys. A guy like Jefferson could teach the younger guys a lot about the game.

Could still do that from the bench.

 

[oldtimer]

Bull. Relationships, with both players and agents, matter. Corbin is going to continue to use lineups he thinks give the Jazz the best chance to win games AND develop young talent. Burning bridges is not some magic franchise saver.

Who said any thing about burning bridges. Why is it okay that jefferson is happy and burks is frustrated?

You think agents are loyal to teams? Agents have only one function, to get the best deal for their client. Jefferson's not loyal to the jazz. Jefferson has announced his intention to leave next year. The jazz don't owe him time on the court. Gvc you are wrong on this issue.

 

[silesian]

psych 101

Truly this may be the dumbest thing lindsey ever says. Jazz owe one thing to its players-money. Loyalty, resurrecting careers, and all other extraneous bull crap are just excuses to justify bad decisions.

Not necessarily. Have to have a winning culture in order to win, and loyalty is part of that. What would you think of a boss who says "all I owe you is money." Would anyone be fulfilled working there? And if not fulfilled, how hard would folks be working for the betterment of the team?

You need to deal with the human psychology, a team of mercenaries will NOT win a championship. There must be camaraderie and folks playing for each other and management.

I don't want RJ to be playing as many minutes. But, DL and company are appreciative of RJ's leadership and professionalism. I believe that they contrast that with the cancer named Raja, who ripped the team apart by not respecting the coach and ego.

 

[Notes]

Not one of you defending/ not entirely disagreeing with DL's comment has given a single, legitimate reason WHY the Jazz owe anything to Richard Jefferson.

This is all very troubling. It's this kind of attitude that leads a team on a one-way trip to Nowheresville... AKA some other city besides SLC.

 

[GVC]

Why is it okay that jefferson is happy and burks is frustrated?

Why would Alec be frustrated and RJ happy? Alec's minutes have been increasing while RJ's minutes have been decreasing (since late November/early December), and Alec has been closing more close games than RJ.

Aside from that, Alec's usage percentage of 23.1 is third on the team, and 34% higher than RJ's 17.2. Alec has been getting 52.4 touches per game; 31% more than RJ's 40.0. Most importantly, Alec's time of possession per game comes in at 2.8 minutes (the top non-point guard who has played most of his team's games, James Harden, gets 4.7 minutes of possession per game); RJ's at 1.2. That is, bringing Alec off the bench staggers the minutes of the team's 3 primary creators (Trey, Gordo and Alec), allowing Alec to get loads of opportunities to create with the ball in his hands.

If Alec continues to produce efficiently in catch and shoot situations with Gordo and Trey, he'll probably continue to get more minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

A guy like Jefferson could teach the younger guys a lot about the game.

From the bench

 

[fishonjazz]

Could still do that from the bench.

Oops
beat me to it

 

[GVC]

From the bench

So you'd rather see Alec get a couple more minutes at the expense of a bunch of his possessions playing with Trey and Gordo in the starting lineup? Seems counterproductive to me.

Alec closed another "close" game last night with RJ on the bench. Very little mention of this here. If at the end of the season Alec is closing ~80% of close games and playing 30 minutes per, what then?

 

[Notes]

Why would Alec be frustrated and RJ happy?

Gee I don't know, maybe because he's younger, quicker, more athletic, averages more points, assists, rebounds and steals per game, has a better assist:turnover ratio, better PER, and is just an all around better — MUCH better — player?

What kind of precedent is set when a young, talented player that has been here for three years now, keeps getting passed over by all the hack vets the Jazz bring in from other teams' dumpster piles? Not a good one at all. Imagine you improving at your job for multiple years and when an opening for a big promotion comes, boss gives it to a bumbling, washed up guy just because he has "more experience" even when you know you'd do 10 times better.

Yeah I'm sure Burks feels great about all this.

 

[franklin]

Gee I don't know, maybe because he's younger, quicker, more athletic, averages more points, assists, rebounds and steals per game, has a better assist:turnover ratio, better PER, and is just an all around better — MUCH better — player?

What kind of precedent is set when a young, talented player that has been here for three years now, keeps getting passed over by all the hack vets the Jazz bring in from other teams' dumpster piles? Not a good one at all. Imagine you improving at your job for multiple years and when an opening for a big promotion comes, boss gives it to a bumbling, washed up guy just because he has "more experience" even when you know you'd do 10 times better.

Yeah I'm sure Burks feels great about all this.

In other words, you don't care about context or fact and simply want to cry on an internet message board about perceived problems that don't exist.

 

[fishonjazz]

So you'd rather see Alec get a couple more minutes at the expense of a bunch of his possessions playing with Trey and Gordo in the starting lineup? Seems counterproductive to me.

Alec closed another "close" game last night with RJ on the bench. Very little mention of this here. If at the end of the season Alec is closing ~80% of close games and playing 30 minutes per, what then?

Don't have to be alec.... Hell move marvin to SF and put enes in. Move Hayward to SF and play diante garret at the two. Whatever move you can think of to stop giving major minutes to a player that does very little for the future of this franchise.

Or knock jeffys minutes down by about 5 per game and increase alecs by five, keeping alec coming off the bench.....right now alec is at 27.1 minutes per game and jeffy is at 27.0 so make alecs numbers bigger and jeffys smaller.


Lots of options there